Posted on 07/18/2023 1:43:50 PM PDT by thegagline
Michigan’s attorney general on Tuesday criminally charged 16 so-called “fake electors” for former President Donald Trump, accusing them of a fraudulent effort to reverse President Joe Biden’s victory in the state’s 2020 election.
The 16 people each face eight charges, including conspiracy, election law forgery, and uttering and publishing, state Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a video announcement.
Nessel called the alleged plan a “desperate effort” to “undermine democracy.” Several of the accused are active in Republican politics. *** On Dec. 14, 2020, weeks after Biden defeated Trump by more than 154,000 votes in Michigan, the defendants met covertly in the basement of the state GOP headquarters and signed documents claiming to be the legally qualified electors for the state in the Electoral College, according to Nessel.
“That was a lie,” Nessel said. “They weren’t the duly elected and qualified electors, and each of the defendants knew it.”
After that meeting, “some of the false electors attempted to enter the state Capitol and deliver their fabricated electoral votes to the Senate floor, but were turned away,” she said.
The bogus electoral documents were then sent to the U.S. Senate and the National Archives “with the intent that Vice President Mike Pence would overturn the results of the election using the false electoral slate,” Nessel said.
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Let’s see what happens in 2024, Trump is on the ticket. They would love for some pro-Trump political violence to develop BEFORE the election.
That's probably because you don't understand how the U.S. presidential election process works.
One of the clear mandates in the constitution for the selection of a President is that the Presidential Electors must all convene on the same day in their respective state capitals to cast their votes. For the 2020 election, this day was established as December 14th.
At that time in 2016 there were still several legal challenges in place related to the November "popular election." The purpose of having a set of alternate electors seated was to prepare for the real (through perhaps not likely) possibility that one or more of those challenges would be successful. Without having those "alternate electors" cast their votes on the appointed day in December and sign those sworn certifications as Trump electors, the end result of a successful legal challenge in Michigan would have been as follows:
1. Trump wins the challenge on the merits of the case.
2. The state’s electoral votes are given to Biden anyway because the Biden electors were the only ones who met and cast their votes on the appointed date (December 14th).
They don’t need violence. Look at what they did today. A bunch of nonviolent 70 year old alternative electors indicted. Look at what they do every day.
I think that they are panicking and desperate right now, desperate for an excuse. They have been trying to provoke real Americans for awhile now. Remember all of those Brandon speeches about MAGA republicans? We need to exhaust all possible and peaceful options first. If They remove Trump from the ballot, murder him, cheat again in 2024 then what comes then we will know for sure that elections aren’t going to fix this.
Sorry, but I'm a Michigander and I don't speak acronym.....TC could also be Tawas City.
But thanks for your information......
You might recall how she and her office forced the owner of the dam in the north-eastern Lower to keep the water level too high.
The dam blew out, naturally - then she and her office blamed the dam owner.
He actually warned them, too.
I can see her demon-possessed eyes glowing as she laughed about that.
Man that argument is tired. We ARE a democracy. However our form of democracy is that of a representative republic. Democracies come in many forms. We are NOT a direct democracy and thank God for that
Except direct democracy, mob rule, is what they mean. But mob rule to install them, not the opposition, and even if only a minority of the mob supports them, Derp State-fixed and approved, of course, to make it look like they’re the majority.
Agree. That’s what the Dems are trying to do.
Re: 22 - they were not declaring themselves as alternate electors. They were representing themselves as lawfully selected electors. They were not, as they were not the electors designated as a result of the Michigan State Board of Canvassers certification of the election.
Read 19 of the complaint. They asserted they were the duly elected and qualified electors for the State of Michigan. They were not.
Hawaii (1960) alternate election slates
The quote I cited at the bottom is worth repeating here:
Rather than suggest the Democratic electors committed fraud, the judge pointed to their meeting as a key step that preserved their ability to be counted after the recount showed Kennedy had actually won the state. Jamieson also reportedly threw out an effort by the GOP electors to scrap the entire election because of fraud allegations.
I'd also point out that there were actually THREE different slates of electors (2 Democrat, 1 Republican) submitted to Congress from the state of Hawaii for the 1961 joint session of Congress.
These leftist Democratic prosecutors filed these stupid criminal charges in Michigan because they know there a millions of semi-retarded morons across America -- including some right here on Free Republic -- who are so gullible, and completely ignorant of history, that they'll believe anything they read in the media.
I’m aware of the 1960 Hawaii slates of electors issues. It’s a reach to use for a defense I believe, and does not address several false claims the electors attested to from Michigan.
More about the events from 1960 here:
We’ll see how things go.
I don't think it's a "reach" at all. In fact, the Politico article seems to reinforce this even though it tries to make the case that the 1960 and 2020 situations were somehow different:
Instead, the Hawaii Democrats used virtually the same language that the false Trump electors in five states used in their effort to upend the 2020 race. In those documents — from Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia — the pro-Turmp activists described themselves as "duly elected and qualified."
They falsely attested that they met at the State Capital on December 13, 2020, among other things.
We’ll see how things go.
I don’t believe it is legally defensible to charge someone with a crime over an attestation of something that is a matter of legal and factual dispute. Otherwise, a person could be charged — after the fact — with perjury, for signing an affidavit disputing the facts in a court case. A defendant in a criminal case who signs an attestation under penalty of perjury as part of a “Not Guilty” plea can’t be charged with perjury after he is convicted.
Re: State Capital - I don’t know. I’m sure that will come out.
Generally agree on the other points.
Apparently the AG does not understand how the electoral system works either.
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