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Activists want to disqualify Trump from ballot in key states under 14th Amendment
The Hill (via MSN.com) ^ | 07 July 2023 | Rafael Bernal

Posted on 07/07/2023 3:52:22 PM PDT by zeestephen

Two civil rights organizations are launching a campaign to pressure state governments to disqualify former President Trump from appearing on ballots in 2024...The groups say secretaries of state are empowered by the 14th amendment to bar Trump from running for office because of the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol insurrection.

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KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; 1621; ballots; donatedonaldtrump; donatetrump; election; fourteenthamendment; j6; lawfare; trump
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To: zeestephen

Goody! more people wanting to seal their fate of lies against truth. wonder how it turns out for them in the long run.


21 posted on 07/07/2023 4:13:43 PM PDT by b4me
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To: thefactor

This is not all that is asinine.


22 posted on 07/07/2023 4:18:30 PM PDT by sauropod (Sun Tzu: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting”)
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To: zeestephen

They would have to CONVICT him of Sedition or Treason to do this.


23 posted on 07/07/2023 4:19:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: zeestephen

It will be an interesting SC case. Bring it.


24 posted on 07/07/2023 4:21:20 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: zeestephen
I've been expecting something like this to happen.

The 14th amendment refers to people who, after having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same..."

It was clearly aimed at excluding Southern politicians who had been active before the Civil War and then had supported the Confederacy. It fails to explain how one would be identified as guilty--since it would have been obvious at the time.

So now the Democrats think that by calling the actions of some people on Jan. 6th an "insurrection" and claiming Trump bears responsibility for their actions, he's guilty of "insurrection" (without a trial) on their say-so, and therefore can be barred from office.

Have any of the political prisoners from January 6th actually been found guilty of "insurrection"?

They still have time to get a DC jury to find Trump guilty, no evidence needed.

25 posted on 07/07/2023 4:21:28 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Not A Snowbird

1. He offered the national guard and Panzie Nellosy said no.

2. He urged peace and lawful protest.

3. There were more agents out there than citizens.(it seems)

4. They have not prosecuted more than a smattering of folks
who occupied state capital buildings for up to a month, with
thousands if not tens of thousands of Leftists involved.

The FBI should be called off any and all cases that have
any possible political component.

Then the agency should be taken to court itself, on many
levels.


26 posted on 07/07/2023 4:22:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: sauropod

I do not believe J6 was an insurrection in the purest sense. The idiots who broke into the Capitol had no plan to set up a new govt, or even a plan to keep the old one. They were a bunch of wanna-be’s who dressed up in fatigues they got at their local Army/Navy store and pretended to be soldiers for a day. Didn’t work out for them, but don’t compliment them by saying they are actual insurrectionists capable of dismantling the American govt.


27 posted on 07/07/2023 4:26:40 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: thefactor

I don’t think you’ve done yer homework as to who these people are.

Are you comfortable witj seberal dozen of them rotting in the DC Metro jail *without charges and a trial??!!!*


28 posted on 07/07/2023 4:30:05 PM PDT by sauropod (Sun Tzu: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting”)
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To: zeestephen

The Club Battle – Donald J Trump is Not the Cause of Republican Failure, He is the Result of Their Failure

July 7, 2023 | Sundance 

REPOST BY REQUEST (with addendum) – As the geography narrows before us, it is important to remember the stakes and avoid the distractions. As a consequence, the baseline must be reaffirmed. It is critical to understand that both the DNC and RNC are private corporations with no affiliation to government.

It is a difficult shift in thinking, but the party system in U.S. politics revolves around two distinct private corporations, two clubs that feed from the same corporate trough and position for influence and affluence within a political dynamic they control.

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The priority for both clubs, Republican and Democrat, is NOT politically or culturally ideological.

In the modern era, the corporate priority first begins with a battle over who controls each corporation.

As long as there is no challenge, the clubs operate without issue. However, when there is a battle for control of the corporation, a battle that will ultimately determine the financial outcome, the internal battle becomes the priority.

2024 is going to be the election season when we see this corporate battle explode inside in the Republican group. Decades of entrenched power are at stake, and there has been four years of counter positioning and backroom discussion leading up to this moment.

As a consequence, and I know this might sound odd to many people – but winning and/or losing elections becomes a secondary issue. The people who control the RNC as a private corporation are not focused on winning elections. The RNC corporation is focused on retaining mission control.

The RNC want to give the illusion of support for MAGA conservatism because the illusion of choice requires a base voter. However, every move they make on an operational level is exactly in line with their previous outlook toward cocktail-class corporate republicanism. The MAGA base of support cannot trust this corporate group and we must not be blind or unguarded about the Machiavellian schemes they construct.

Donald Trump is not a problem for the Republican Party; Donald Trump is our response to the problem within the Republican Party.

When you hear the billionaire donor influence group saying the two priorities for control of the Republican Club involve, (1) eliminating populism in the ranks; and (2) realigning with multinational corporate objectives (vis a vis Wall Street), what they are publicly expressing is their RNC corporate need to get rid of the America First economic agenda; to get rid of the MAGA influence.

How has this historically surfaced?

At a national level there is a unique policy priority almost every politician, on both sides, will avoid discussing.

At a national level a single policy priority determines all other national policy outlooks. That policy is the national economic policy.

The national economic policy of a presidential candidate determines all other policies that flow from the presidential candidate. The national economic policy impacts the obvious policies like energy and trade, and also determines the lesser obvious policies like regulation and even foreign policy.

It is specifically because a candidate’s national economic outlook impacts all other issues, that most federal candidates and politicians never talk about it.

It would be impossible to support Main Street USA, a popular talking point, and still support the Paris Climate Treaty, the Transpacific Trade Partnership (TPP) or the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP).

To avoid the contradictions, most Democrat and Republican politicians avoid discussing their national economic policy. It is an unspoken rule within the billionaire club and donor game, an economic code of omerta amid most political candidates.

President Trump broke the rule and even went so far as to campaign on an America First economic policy agenda. That core outlook forms the Make America Great Again foundation. MAGA is based on a national economic policy outlook that determines every other national policy as carried by President Trump.

While most Americans may not be able to articulate how the national economic policy impacts them, almost every American feels the consequences through gasoline prices, energy prices, employment, wage rates and the expenses within their everyday lives. To try and hide this reality, often media and economic analysts will say the U.S. President has no control over gasoline prices; however, this is unequivocally false.

Yes, it is true that oil prices are determined by the global market for the product, the supply and the demand. However, the energy policy of the president determines the domestic investment in natural resource development and extraction by oil companies. The energy policy determines domestic supply. The regulatory policy determines the expansion, or lack therein, of oil and gasoline refinery capacity. So yes, it is ultimately the U.S President who determines gasoline prices indirectly through energy and regulatory policy.

If this were not the case, then gasoline would cost nearly the same in almost every nation. It doesn’t. Right now, gasoline in Mexico is almost $1 less than gasoline in the United States, specifically because Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez-Obrador is not trying to reduce oil resource investment, development and/or gasoline refinery capacity.

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President Trump was the first presidential candidate who campaigned on a domestic national economic policy. He even went one step further and stated the T-word, tariffs. Yes, the commerce department holds tools to support a national economic policy.

The tariff tool is another aspect to national economics that most politicians avoid discussing because the toolbox is counter to the interests of Wall Street, multinational corporations and hedge fund managers.

For a reference point you might remember the apoplectic fits from financial and economic punditry to President Trump’s 2017 and 2018 steel and aluminum tariffs.

Economic security is determined by national economic policy. National security is also an outcome of national economic policy. Again, President Trump was also the first modern president to put that outlook to work when he said, “economic security is national security,” and then began constructing a foreign policy agenda using the cornerstone of national economic policy. The result was quite remarkable and led to what eventually became the Trump Doctrine.

It was inherently the US national economic policy that underpinned President Trump challenging NATO to meet their financial obligations. It was national economic policy that drove trade policy and created the north American USMCA trade agreement. It was national economic policy that led to countervailing duties on Chinese and European imports. Which had the remarkable effect of actually lowering prices inside the United States.

We began importing deflation through lower priced goods as the value of the dollar increased and China/EU central banks devalued their currency to avoid the impact of tariffs. Asia and the EU also subsidized their export manufacturing with incentives in order to lower costs as an offset to the tariffs, while simultaneously Asian and European companies began investing in production facilities inside the U.S. as a long-term approach to retaining access to the U.S. market. To put it succinctly, this was MAGAnomics at work.

U.S. wages increased, U.S. job growth increased, U.S. energy prices dropped with increased energy development and a massive cut in regulations, and that in turn lowered the cost of domestic goods. Suddenly we were importing goods at lower prices and generating goods internally at lower prices. More MAGAnomic outcomes, which, not coincidentally, was the exact opposite of all Wall Street claims and predictions.

Making America Great Again, was an outcome of national economic policy. At its core, MAGA is a national economic dynamic within a political movement that is represented by President Donald J. Trump.

It is critical to understand, the MAGA economic policy is essentially a national policy completely, and uniquely, under the control of the office of the President. The impact to the lives of Americans is a direct outcome from national economic policy. If a president wants to lead an independently wealthy country, he/she applies a very specific economic outlook to all other policy areas including energy, regulation and foreign policy.

It is also true that opposition to President Donald Trump is uniquely connected to the America First economic agenda.

Multimillion-dollar lobbyist firms like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable, along with dozens of economically established SuperPAC’s funded by Wall Street and multinational corporations, are vehemently opposed to the America First economic agenda.

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All of the national politicians and political candidates taking money from these aforementioned groups necessarily bind themselves to a position that stands against the America First economic agenda.

In essence, if you take money from the multinationals you cannot deliver on MAGA economic outcomes for banking, trade, finance etc. And that’s exactly where we run into the problem.

Because MAGA national economic priorities conflict with the multinational corporations, hedge funds and the Wall Street donor class, all of the politicians who accept the influence checks from these self-interested groups cannot run on, or deliver, a MAGA national economic agenda.

At a local, county and state level you have direct impact on the political policy agenda in your community. Who you elect to the city council, school board, state house and senate as well as governor’s office has an impact on those local and state priorities. However, national economic policy, national energy and trade policy and national foreign policy are not under your control.

As a result, the same skillset, or policy outlook, that makes a governor a successful state politician doesn’t carry into a federal office, [see the example of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker]. Yes, there are some executive and administration skills that carry over; however, on the bigger issue of steering the national policy agenda, almost every candidate for office comes with the baggage of having accepted donor contributions from a class of people who are paying for economic policy influence.

MAGA cannot be purchased. It is a political outlook that seeks only to enhance the best interests of the American people, regardless of consequence for the multinationals or foreign beneficiaries of globalist U.S. economic policy. Unfortunately, as a result, all of the beneficiaries are aligned to make sure the MAGA economic policy outlook is extinguished. There are literally trillions at stake. This reality underpins the opposition to Donald Trump.

When you understand why the national economic outlook of the President is so important, you can also understand why every political candidate is told not to discuss it by the handlers and campaign managers who are essentially selling their candidate to a millionaire and billionaire donor class who do not want an America First economic policy agenda.

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There is no easy solution for this problem, and ironically this core economic issue is where you find supporters of both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump in alignment.

Where the Sanders and Trump camps split is on the solution. Team Sanders wants the government to play the role of economic referee (regulation), while Team Trump wants the government to change the rules of the economic game (countervailing duties, tariffs etc).

Before Donald Trump entered politics, there was no home for people voting on the issue of a national economic agenda.

Both Democrat and Republican candidates had essentially the same worldview on national economic policy because they are all getting money from the same multinational corporate trough. However, President Trump changed that dynamic by presenting an alternative national economic policy called America First.

For decades middle America was begging the McConnell’s, Ryans, Boehners, Romney’s, McCain’s, Bushes, et al, to make America First economic policies their priority. All of our shouts for help fell upon deaf political ears plugged by corporate donations and influence. Our communities were literally collapsing around us (see rust belt), and yet no national politician would do anything of consequence.

By the time Donald Trump arrived, decades of frustration exploded in an eruption of massive applause because he was articulating the central economic issue that was being ignored by the professional political class. The America First agenda is the restoration agenda. From Trump’s national economic policy, the middle class erosion stopped. Economic security, specifically U.S. employment stability and wage rates, goes hand in glove with border security and immigration controls.

MAGAnomics is the core of the great MAGA Republican coalition, a working class coalition that cuts through all other distinctions and divisions. It is not Republican because of political affiliation, it is “MAGA Republican” only because the Republican Party was the political vehicle selected by Donald Trump to install the policy.

This reality creates a problem for the DC professional political class and the corporate media. Because MAGAnomics is the fundamentally binding principle there is no way to fracture the Trump supporter coalition.

I am a “MAGA Republican” by default of my wanting a national economic agenda that looks out for the economic interests of Americans first.

Donald Trump is the irreplaceable Great MAGA King, because Donald Trump is the only one who holds that same outlook. Unfortunately, the Republican corporation does not carry that priority. Thus, the Big Ugly battle for control of the Republican Party is being previewed right now and will grow in scale and consequence very soon.

Let me emphasize a key point. The Republican Party is not positioning to win the 2024 election. The goal of the Republican Party is to remove the threat represented by Donald Trump. When you start there, all of the RNC weaknesses or flaws look very different, very purposeful.

Donald J. Trump isn’t the cause of the Republican failure; he is the result of their failure.

The people in control of Republican Club do not care who is in the White House, that is a secondary objective. What they care about right now is controlling the Republican corporation and stopping the hostile takeover.

Every single Republican presidential candidate for 2024, sans Trump, will be inserted into the race to help the Republican corporation in this battle. When you see them enter, instead of asking, ‘how can they win‘, ask yourself what is their mission on behalf of the Club priority?

alt UPDATE: Since this outline was first published, we now see more clearly defined fingerprints of how the control operation is being deployed.

The effort to shift primary election rules and delegate apportionments is part of this second approach. They Sea Island control class are not trying to split votes, they are trying to split delegate apportionments. Each candidate taking a small part of the delegate count and then reassembling into one larger delegate group at a contest convention.

 In Iowa – the SEA ISLAND DeSantis crew have funded and planted Asa Hutchinson and Mike Pence to camp out. They are supported by Governor Kim Reynolds. The goal is to use the Jeff Roe Cruz Crew, and roughly 1,000 paid Never Back Down (NBD) conscripts to do the Astroturf.

♦ In New Hampshire – they have funded Chris Sununu Inc. (his state machine) along with Chris Christie, and the pair will camp out similar to Asa and Mike in Iowa. Another roughly 500 to 1,000 NBD conscripts.

♦ In South Carolina – they do not have the Governor (McMaster), but they have funded Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. Yes, they are doing pairs this time because the singles didn’t work in 2016. The NBD conscripts will shift from Iowa to South Carolina along with the calendar. Not as much state party purchase, so look for Haley and Scott to do something like endorse DeSantis during the SC debate. The Bush machinery is thick in SC.

♦ In Nevada – team DeSantis is following the RGA plan and will spend quite a bit of time and make the necessary funding and political promises. Watch who endorses from there; the RGA will drive the bus. The NBD conscripts will come in as supportive filler to do the groundwork.

♦In Florida – the SEA ISLAND crews are funding and deploying Suarez along with never-Trump Jeanette Nuñez partnered with Team Jeb and the party apparatus. However, the legislative assembly is in a little bit of a flux, as many of the members are not happy with being forced to do the legislative roadmap in order to meet their DeSantis instructions. The House and Senate are not happy with the pressure, and RdS had previously abandoned them – making things problematic.

It is not coincidental that DeSantis returns to temporarily work in Florida, as Casey takes over the front side of the campaign. Team DeSantis cannot allow the Florida coalition to slip out of their control; they need specific Florida GOP rules and primary election modifications.

♦ Overall – Never Back Down will have around 2,500 paid operatives in the early primary states. The RGA will be the pressure point for State Gov endorsements, which should be locked up very soon. The RGA will also play a key role in financing the state party rule changes to keep everything proportional, thereby extending DeSantis longevity. The RNC will support this very key part of the plan. The goal is to bleed Trump dry of funds by forcing a lengthy primary. The SEA ISLAND group has more money than Trump and the small donors.

The sequence to endorse Ron DeSantis will generally follow the calendar as each of the primary contests is fought. Rolling out of Iowa, Pence and Hutchinson will try to be the boosters for DeSantis rolling into New Hampshire to greet Sununu and Christie. However, Chris Christie’s main assignment is to belittle Donald Trump.

Depending on the SC outcome, after exiting Florida, it should be a two-person race, as Trump is sequentially battered by external DC Lawfare and simultaneous 10 against 1 attacks while campaigning. Billionaires Murdoch, Bezos and Musk will work together to support the RNC club effort, while DC Lawfare will try to keep Trump from campaigning.

This national club activity, supported by the Koch effort to spend $70 million against Trump, will take place simultaneous to the NBD Pac and RGA going full negative with campaign ads.


29 posted on 07/07/2023 4:30:53 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Prince of Space

Of course they will. The rats stole the AZ Governor, AG and SOS in 22, that sets this up. The worthless GOPe did nothing about it. Without AZ there is probably no path.


30 posted on 07/07/2023 4:32:24 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: thefactor
I still remember some of my World History.

Heads on pikes = definitely an insurrection.

Grandmas taking selfies? Meh.

31 posted on 07/07/2023 4:32:52 PM PDT by Sooth2222 (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.” /"Every nation has the government it deserves.” )
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To: sauropod
"Are you comfortable witj seberal (sic) dozen of them rotting in the DC Metro jail *without charges and a trial??!!!*"

How did you got from me saying the J6 perpetrators were a bunch of morons to THAT statement you wrote above??? I said NOTHING of their current situation. In fact, I said they were NOT insurrectionists, which would imply I do not think they belong in prison.

32 posted on 07/07/2023 4:34:54 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: zeestephen

If these key States are successful in stopping Trump, its all over for America.


33 posted on 07/07/2023 4:38:48 PM PDT by chopperk
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To: zeestephen

Historical fact: In the election of 1860, Lincoln, the Republican, was not on the ballot in any of the slave states. He still won the election of 1860. If Trump is not on the ballot in California, NY, Massachusetts or any of the deep-blue states, it won’t change the Electoral College vote—the only vote that matters.

Forcing him off the ballot might well be enough motivation for voters where he is on the ballot to win the election for him.


34 posted on 07/07/2023 4:48:21 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: zeestephen

You know for people who claim that the 2020 election was fair, they sure act like it wasn’t based on their acts to keep Trump off the 2024 ballot! I’m just saying.


35 posted on 07/07/2023 4:50:30 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Redefeat Biden in 2024. )
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To: zeestephen
Hillary Clinton not only questions the 2016 election results after she spends most of 2016 refusing to campaign, she also creates a hoax which is used in an attempted coup against the sitting POTUS Donald J. Trump.

While this was going on, she also pushes a campaign called "resist" encouraging college kids to riot nationwide, NATIONWIDE for Trumps ENTIRE 4 years in office.

Anything happen to Hillary? Of COURSE not!

Hillary Clinton officially launches ‘resistance’ outside group


36 posted on 07/07/2023 4:52:16 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: Reverend Wright

“They are going to try every possible Lawfare tactic to defeat him.
And when that doesn’t work, they will go beyond Lawfare.””

Sadly there is enough GOP the help the evil left! I agree “Pray for President Trump !” and Pray often


37 posted on 07/07/2023 4:52:50 PM PDT by blueyon (God, is who we need)
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To: blueyon

“Sadly there is enough GOP the help the evil left!”

Yup. Colosio was killed by other PRI politicians. Not the opposition.


38 posted on 07/07/2023 4:55:50 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: zeestephen; All

You all know how the press attacked Trump for every real or imagined slight or mistake.

Now imagine if Trump FARTED loudly on the podium and how the press would have reacted. They would have torn into him with rage and indignation.

Well, well, well. Biden just did it and look how the press/audience reacted:

https://twitter.com/RealSarahIdan/status/1677452334069334016


39 posted on 07/07/2023 4:56:07 PM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: zeestephen

The Left’s motto: “By hook or by crook.” Another applicable saying: “By any means possible.”


40 posted on 07/07/2023 4:59:50 PM PDT by iontheball
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