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To: buwaya

When you live in an world where you only have a conversation amongst your NATO peers and Western friends, are only concerned about your Western economic and political interests, (((and you entirely exclude and discount someone else’s concerns))), you end up with a war.

There was no Russian threat until we initiated by doing what we said we would not do (NATO East expansion into former Soviet border states) and where they stated for a long time that this is a no-go for them: NATO expansion into Ukraine.

Biden offers NATO to Ukraine in October 2021: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

By November 2021 Russia is building up forces along the Ukrainian border, 92,000 additional men and holding large scale maneuvers and live fire exercises: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/01/us-russia-military-movement-ukraine/

I am not sure how more “cause and effect” it can be?

We didn’t bend any direction for them. We just entirely ignored them and did whatever we wanted.


51 posted on 06/16/2023 6:51:25 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6
by doing what we said we would not do (NATO East expansion into former Soviet border states)

more Russian lies

that "promise' was never made, or even asked-for by Gorbachev

all he asked was that NATO not put bases on the former East Germany

you Russian apologists need to stop lying to us

and now Vlady's idiotic invasion has resulted in another 800 miles of NATO along its border ... Putin is such a doofus


54 posted on 06/16/2023 7:02:12 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Red6

Twenty years ago man. OK, 18 years ago in some cases. It’s a crock.

In this case you have cause and effect reversed. Look at the dates. Russian buildup Nov 1, US talking Nato Dec 9.


64 posted on 06/16/2023 8:38:42 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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