Ukraine cannot even pay their public employees anymore. They cannot finance their mercenaries without our aid. Roughly 2/3rds of all their military hardware at this point is supplied by others.
We are keeping this going, no differently than Iran, Syria, and some financiers in Saudi Arabia (even though they are an ally some rich folks there were paying for things in Iraq) kept that going.
Since you want to talk about firsts or biggest since WWII, how about these:
-—We are funding and arming the biggest mercenary army ever assembled in Ukraine. Up until just recently we were talking about international banns on mercenaries and most the Western media was highly derogatory about them.
-—We are allowing for the active recruitment of these mercenaries out of the Ukrainian consulates and embassies in Western nations, that was never done before.
-—We are allowing our tax money to be used for Ukrainian IO operations which target Western audiences and our governments say nothing.
-—We have provided more money and more weapons to Ukraine than any other nations in history in terms of military aid in that short period of time. We have pumped as much money into Ukraine, as we have in Israel since we started arming them under Kennedy (1960s).
-—We have coerced nations into sanctioning Russia, yet they get their energy and food from Russia: Egypt, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
-—We are providing in some cases state of the art technologies which we only export to very select nations, Ukraine not having been one of them before this war.
-—We never after WWII found neo NAZI groups to be good or accepted them spreading their ideology before, but I guess the old saying “the enemy of your enemy is your friend,” really is true: https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/
-—We (of course there is plausible deniability) likely blew up the Nordstream pipeline. Blowing up a pipeline through which an ally gets a great share of their energy, that’s a first!
-—We saw Western media in some cases actually condoning and talking highly of blatant acts of terrorism, such as the killing of a pro-Russian blogger by a bomb in St Petersburg. I guess terrorism is so bad, as long as it’s good terrorism, and we get to decide what that is.
The ONLY difference is scale. We are supplying Ukraine with money, weapons, intel, training, logistics, and are willing to take things further regards sanctions and trying to hurt Russian gas and oil exports at an unprecedented scale. Turn that spigot off, and the war would have been long over.
This is our war, Ukraine is merely supplying the bodies and in some cases these aren’t even Ukrainian but are coming from as far away as Columbia, Brazil...
Yes, this is a guerilla war, the only difference is that in this case the outside influence “us” is fueling this conflict in truly epic proportions, not with a few mortar rounds, IR barriers to be used in IEDs, NVGs, sniper rifles, newer RPGs, hand held GPS receivers, and a few Quds forces advising the belligerents like Sadr and his militia in Iraq... No, what we’re doing is HUGE!
This really is impressive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
They are mostly non sequiturs.
What is it you are (still) trying to prove? That this is a "guerilla war?!"
By any common definition of the term, this is by no means a "guerilla war!"
Ukraine has fielded entire divisions, and is fighting largely by conventional means (tanks, artillery, aircraft).
So...
1) This isn't a "guerilla war," according to the standard definition.
2)Your assertions (even if they were true) about Ukraine's current conduct of the war have little to nothing to do with the concept of "guerilla warfare" anyway.
3) Many of your claims about Ukraine's conduct of the war apply equally well to Russia's conduct of the war. (Use of "mercenaries?" What is the "Wagner Group," then?)
4) So what IF it were a "guerilla war?" Why should that in any way affect my view that Putin launched the bloodiest war cum-land-grab in Europe since WWII, and that he must not be allowed to win?
Regards,
We must suppose that, given the economic disruptions in Ukraine caused by Vlad the Invader, Ukraine's normal government revenues are virtually nill.
Pre-war, 2021 Ukraine government spending ran around US $30 billion, or roughly 20% of their nominal GDP.
Since Vlad's invasion in 2022, the US and EU pledged a total of around $65 billion in financial aid, in addition to military hardware and humanitarian supplies.
Of that, 40% is from the USA.
As for military hardware supplied to Ukraine, if I understand correctly, the largest single supplier of military hardware to Ukraine is Vlad the Invader, whose orcs have abandoned more usable Russian equipment than Ukraine had to begin the war with.
Red6: "We are keeping this going, no differently than Iran, Syria, and some financiers in Saudi Arabia (even though they are an ally some rich folks there were paying for things in Iraq) kept that going."
A total of 45 countries, plus over 100 companies and NGOs have contributed aid to Ukraine:
Red6: "We are funding and arming the biggest mercenary army ever assembled in Ukraine.
Up until just recently we were talking about international banns on mercenaries and most the Western media was highly derogatory about them."
Ukraine is estimated to have around 10 million men of military age, of whom it's thought 1 million are currently serving.
One year ago, the number of foreign volunteers serving Ukraine's army was said to be around 20,000 and there have been no updates since.
The list of non-Russian militaries fighting for Russia against Ukraine is also quite long and includes:
Except by Russian embassies in friendly countries recruiting for Vlad the Invader, of course.
Red6: "We are allowing our tax money to be used for Ukrainian IO operations which target Western audiences and our governments say nothing."
It's certainly true that US media & internet sites almost exclusively support Ukraine.
How many of those are being directly fed propaganda by the Ukrainian government is unknown.
A reasonable guess is that their support for Ukraine is to be found less in what facts they do report than in what they don't -- bad news about Ukrainian losses, mistakes, failures, defeats and low morale, if any.
Red6: "We have provided more money and more weapons to Ukraine than any other nations in history in terms of military aid in that short period of time.
We have pumped as much money into Ukraine, as we have in Israel since we started arming them under Kennedy (1960s)."
Ukraine is arguably Russia's greatest invasion since the Second World War, and the Western response has been, of necessity, correspondingly robust.
Inflation adjusted US aid to Israel since 1949 is circa $250 billion, considerably more than US aid to Ukraine since 2022.
Red6: "We have coerced nations into sanctioning Russia, yet they get their energy and food from Russia: Egypt, Pakistan, Sri Lanka"
There is a long list of countries who support Vlad the Invader directly or indirectly through abstentions or non-voting in the United Nations:
Red6: "We never after WWII found neo NAZI groups to be good or accepted them spreading their ideology before, but I guess the old saying “the enemy of your enemy is your friend,” really is true:"
The entire accusation of "Nazis" or "neo-Nazis" is utterly insane, especially considering that some such groups are supporting Vlad the Invader's orcs in Ukraine!!
Red6: "We (of course there is plausible deniability) likely blew up the Nordstream pipeline.
Blowing up a pipeline through which an ally gets a great share of their energy, that’s a first!"
Clearly, we (the USA) are the beneficiaries of that sabotage, and so naturally we're the prime suspects.
On the other hand, nobody knows for certain who did it, or who knew ahead of time about it, or who may have paid for whomever did the work.
The only one we can be almost certain didn't do it was Vlad the Invader.
Red6: "We saw Western media in some cases actually condoning and talking highly of blatant acts of terrorism, such as the killing of a pro-Russian blogger by a bomb in St Petersburg.
I guess terrorism is so bad, as long as it’s good terrorism, and we get to decide what that is."
I've never seen a single American support terrorism against journalists or bloggers.
I do seem to remember there was something a bit more complicated going on there -- the pro-Russian blogger was supporting one particular faction within Russia, opposed by a different faction?
Red6: "The ONLY difference is scale. We are supplying Ukraine with money, weapons, intel, training, logistics, and are willing to take things further regards sanctions and trying to hurt Russian gas and oil exports at an unprecedented scale.
Turn that spigot off, and the war would have been long over."
Maybe, maybe not.
By all reports, Ukrainians seemed determined to fight and win their independence from Vlad the Invader's orcs and allies.
Without significant worldwide aid, Ukrainians would likely be fighting a much more guerilla-style war from pockets of resistance around Ukraine and from friendly foreign countries.
The war would never be over, and will never be over, until all Russian forces are withdrawn from all of Ukraine.
Red6: "This is our war, Ukraine is merely supplying the bodies and in some cases these aren’t even Ukrainian but are coming from as far away as Columbia, Brazil..."
Nonsense!
It's Ukraine's War of Independence, equivalent to our Revolutionary War, and just as we received major military and financial aid from foreign countries, so is Ukraine today.
But France's aid to us did not make it "France's War", it was still our war to fight and win, or lose, just as today it's Ukraine's war to win or lose.
Red6: "Yes, this is a guerilla war, the only difference is that in this case the outside influence “us” is fueling this conflict in truly epic proportions, not with a few mortar rounds, IR barriers to be used in IEDs, NVGs, sniper rifles, newer RPGs, hand held GPS receivers, and a few Quds forces advising the belligerents like Sadr and his militia in Iraq... No, what we’re doing is HUGE!"
Relatively speaking, our aid to Ukraine is not as huge as was the Revolutionary War aid to us from France, Spain, the Netherlands and others.
It's also worth remembering that for over 100 years now, we've had no closer allies and friends than the Brits.
Indeed, the Brits today are on very good terms with (nearly?) all of their former colonies.
So independence does not necessarily mean permanent hostility.