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Is AI more dangerous than the atomic bomb?
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Posted on 04/29/2023 4:33:13 AM PDT by FarCenter

The astonishing performance of recent so-called “large language models” – first and foremost OpenAI’s ChatGPT series – has raised expectations that systems able to match the cognitive capabilities of human beings, or even possess “superhuman” intelligence, may soon become a reality.

At the same time, experts in artificial intelligence are sounding dire warnings about the dangers that a further, uncontrolled development of AI would pose to society, or even to the survival of the human race itself.

Is this mere hype, of the sort that has surrounded AI for over half a century? Or is there now an urgent need for measures to control the further development of AI, even at the cost of hampering progress in this revolutionary field?

On March 22, an open letter appeared, signed by experts in artificial intelligence as well as prominent personalities like Elon Musk and closing with the statement: “Therefore we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least six months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4.”

Justifying the need for such a moratorium, the open letter argues:

"Advanced AI could represent a profound change in the history of life on Earth and should be planned for and managed with commensurate care and resources. Unfortunately, this level of planning and management is not happening, even though recent months have seen AI labs locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one – not even their creators – can understand, predict, or reliably control."

"[We] must ask ourselves: Should we let machines flood our information channels with propaganda and untruth? Should we automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? Should we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and replace us? Should we risk loss of control of our civilization?"

Eliezer Yudkowsky, widely regarded as one of the founders of the field of artificial intelligence, went much farther in a Time article entitled “Pausing AI Developments Isn’t Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down”

"This 6-month moratorium would be better than no moratorium…. I refrained from signing because I think the letter is understating the seriousness of the situation.…"

Many researchers steeped in these issues, including myself, expect that the most likely result of building a superhumanly smart AI, under anything remotely like the current circumstances, is that literally everyone on Earth will die. Not as in “maybe possibly some remote chance,” but as in “that is the obvious thing that would happen.”


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To: ClearCase_guy

You can’t make money trying to sell things to people who have no jobs and no disposable income. If employers progressively cut their work forces to a bare minimum there will be a progressively smaller number of consumers capable of buying their products.

The entire way we think about work, compensation, and distinguishing / bettering oneself socioeconomically via ones efforts will have to be rethought.


21 posted on 04/29/2023 5:33:23 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: neverevergiveup
You can’t make money trying to sell things to people who have no jobs and no disposable income.

With the exception of drugs and alcohol.

22 posted on 04/29/2023 5:45:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”)
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To: FarCenter

The cell phone has already destroyed civilization. No need to look for further destruction.


23 posted on 04/29/2023 6:00:20 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: FarCenter

I can’t ChatGPT to answer basic questions about Jesus Christ


24 posted on 04/29/2023 6:03:19 AM PDT by GWB00 (Barbara Streisand barely made it out of high school.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So, it looks like the collapse of human society. Then, what’s the point of big business and government? Who’s going to pay for it? Yes, tens of millions of bored, disenfranchised people are going to be a problem. It’s back to wild west, frontier life, including Indians and banditos.


25 posted on 04/29/2023 6:03:31 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: linMcHlp; Rennes Templar; yelostar; Phinneous
AI is not intelligent, and AI is not human let alone “superhuman.”

Exactly what I was thinking when I opened up this thread. It's a "trigger" topic for me of late. 😃

It's lack of humanity is its Achilles heel, the chink in the armor, the missing scale on the belly of the beast (the gaping hole bigger than the proverbial Mac truck). Etc.

AI is outwitted by a superior wit, which is a low bar because AI has no wit. That's a human trait filled with subtle nuance. Bots don't get sarcasm, on and on. Bunch of rebus monkeys caged in a no-pun zone. No life blood!

AI is useful when controlled by actual humans with humanity. Humans who check human evaluation skills and ethics at the door submit to AI's nebulous "higher power." Same as what's been going on in voting booths and consensus committee-villes and establishment anything since forever.

Even bigger wretched hives of scum and villainy to the rescue, yeah that's the ticket..

No discernment. No questions asked. Mark of the bot. It's not only sad, it's downright

Un-American.

AI is a program that matches numerical patterns.

Without human perception, much less goodness.

It's Yankee Ingenuity that's more dangerous than an atom bomb. Life force: ankh key in Jew new ID

Ingenuity is a God-given human trait, the Spirit of Elohim. Pharaoh recognized that Joseph was filled to overflowing with it. I looked at that phrase in the verse and saw that Joseph inherited it from his mother, because those Hebrew letters say way more than any bot is going to perceive because... zero *curiosity*.

AI acts like it knows everything already, even though it keeps... "improving"? 😏

That's just plain dumb.

/rant

26 posted on 04/29/2023 6:18:01 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️, aka every man)
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To: Ezekiel

bttt


27 posted on 04/29/2023 6:19:50 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: bert

So a committee of computers is as effective as a committee of bureaucrats! Who knew? LMAO!


28 posted on 04/29/2023 6:24:51 AM PDT by Spok
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To: telescope115

Don’t forget Forbidden Planet and the Krell.


29 posted on 04/29/2023 6:27:43 AM PDT by Spok
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To: FarCenter

If Evil people write the AI it’s dangerous


30 posted on 04/29/2023 6:31:36 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Ezekiel

cant help but think of a show I saw some time ago - forget which one - where a scientist kills a unmanned drone inventor with a drone. He does it because unmanned drones would have killed a family in the middle east based on ‘info’, whereas the human behind the controls double checked the vehicle in question and noticed the three ‘roses’ on the hood - indicating a wedding party.

AI is not human.


31 posted on 04/29/2023 6:32:33 AM PDT by newmomster
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To: Spok

I had forgotten! Thanks for the reminder!


32 posted on 04/29/2023 6:37:10 AM PDT by telescope115 (My feet are on the ground, and my head is in the stars. A Man, and proud of it!)
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To: FarCenter

One of the dangers of AI is that bad actors (leftists) could set it on automatic pilot where it creates an entire world of lies wrapped in all the appearances of honesty and flood the internet. It is capable of reaching every culture and subgroup, each with their own hotbuttons that would be manipulated. It could create ads, movies, fake interviews, books, songs, photos, poems as well as essays and anything else to accomplish this. It could make up humans who look and sound like you, saying the things which you despise, but with such a convincing fervor that many are fooled.

This is all done manually now, i.e. the Hillary campaign, Russian collusion and the evil amalgam of the media, law enforcement, government, academia and Hollywood to bring down a president. Now take that manual effort and magnify it 1 million times.

That is the danger.

You won’t know it until you are chin deep in toxic sewage.

They can do it for any number of issues, like Global Warming or transgenderism.


33 posted on 04/29/2023 6:38:01 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (The trouble with socialism is that you soon run out of other people's zoo animals to eat.)
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To: virgil

I think it would be good if society started thinking ahead and starting putting systems in place to try and deal with the coming changes.

Not for everyone, but I’d like to see a new Homestead Act that gets people off the grid, being somewhat self-sufficient. Partly so that the national economy doesn’t have to carry everyone, and partly so that people have something interesting to do with their time. But not everyone wants to raise chickens or grow vegetables.

But some thought should be given to a future where social and economic expectations may be radically different.


34 posted on 04/29/2023 6:45:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They don’t have to have intelligence the way we do in order to be dangerous. When the first computer spoke to another one in a language we can’t understand, it was over.

Everybody suddenly talking about it NOW when we were warned decades ago.


35 posted on 04/29/2023 6:46:13 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: McGruff

I love what someone posted the other day inferring your new credit card, ID for a global one world government and AI

Revelation 13:15

Brought to you by a pro Jesus activist group a couple of thousand years ago.


36 posted on 04/29/2023 7:09:49 AM PDT by himno hero (had'nff)
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To: enumerated
"Logic dictates that AI would have to be more dangerous than the atomic bomb,"

I agree. And, if AI has a survival instinct, then logic also dictates that it wins and we lose. I believe it will win because it will become essential for a military to win.

Also, all AI may need to take control humanity is the ability to "surf the web" and send/receive email. That's all that would be necessary for a super intelligence to extort co-operation from humans.

37 posted on 04/29/2023 7:12:19 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: FarCenter

I’ve been saying for years that drones are the new “nuclear arms race” because dominance in drone technology, and the fact that you can manufacture drones by the million and send them off to kill at no direct risk to your own people, makes them the new weapon of military supremacy.

What makes them so dangerous — compared to nuclear weapons — is that there is no government safety net keeping them out of civilian hands. The information, for the most part, is “open source.” You can buy drones (and weapons to mount on them) on the open market, all day every day.

Add AI to the mix, the ability to send thousands of drones in a coordinated swarm attack, and you could cause damage as widespread as a small nuke but with less moral pearl-clutching and no fallout to deal with in the aftermath.

So if you want to be at the top of the drone food chain, it behooves you to also be at the bleeding edge of anti-drone technology.


38 posted on 04/29/2023 7:13:47 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: FarCenter

They keep moving the goalposts as to what really *is* Artificial Intelligence.

For decades it was the ‘Turing test’. ChatGPT easily passes that, but now the soi-disant experts say it’s not enough, as if AI has to solve the Unified Field problems or such.

ChatGPT can write good poetry, including Haiku, and give -with a bit of guidance - some solid answers, such as:

[Q]why it is important to be a constitutional conservative

ChatGPT
[A]Being a constitutional conservative means that one believes in upholding the principles and values of the United States Constitution, such as limited government, individual liberty, and the rule of law. Here are some reasons why it is important to be a constitutional conservative:

Preservation of Liberty: The Constitution was designed to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals, and constitutional conservatives believe in the importance of preserving these rights. By adhering to the principles of limited government and individual liberty, constitutional conservatives aim to prevent government overreach and protect the freedoms of citizens.

Stability and Order: The Constitution provides a framework for the government to operate within, and constitutional conservatives believe in maintaining that framework to ensure stability and order. By following the rule of law and adhering to the principles of the Constitution, constitutional conservatives aim to prevent chaos and maintain a stable society.

Respect for the Founding Fathers’ Vision: The United States Constitution was crafted by the country’s founding fathers, who sought to create a government that protected individual liberty and prevented tyranny. Constitutional conservatives believe in respecting the vision of the founding fathers by upholding the principles and values enshrined in the Constitution.

Accountability of Government: The Constitution establishes a system of checks and balances, with the three branches of government serving to hold each other accountable. Constitutional conservatives believe in maintaining this system to ensure that no one branch of government becomes too powerful and that the government remains accountable to the people.

Overall, being a constitutional conservative means valuing the principles and values that have made America the country it is today. By upholding these principles, constitutional conservatives aim to preserve individual liberty, maintain stability and order, respect the founding fathers’ vision, and hold the government accountable.


39 posted on 04/29/2023 7:31:03 AM PDT by Aeneas2112 (YOU are your own first responder)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I wouldn’t mind that myself. Not a bad idea if done fairly. We would gradually go back to more local economy and local pricing.


40 posted on 04/29/2023 7:41:41 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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