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The Republican Party of Reagan would be Ukraine’s strongest supporters
The Hill ^ | 03/24/2023 | MIKE ROGERS

Posted on 03/24/2023 7:58:23 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

In 1984 on the 40th anniversary of D-Day, Ronald Reagan ascended the windswept stage of Pointe Du Hook, Normandy to commemorate one of the greatest sacrifices in the defense of freedom the world had ever seen.  

“We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars,” Reagan declared. “It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.” 

Nearly 40 years after he spoke those words, Reagan’s remarks should serve as a stark reminder and warning to leaders looking out at an increasingly unsettled world who are tempted by the siren’s call of American isolationism, rather than declaring and reaffirming the value of American leadership.

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To: dforest

This sounds a neocon version of “Jesus was a liberal”.


81 posted on 03/24/2023 9:58:24 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Because the America of Ronald Reagan were the good guys…


82 posted on 03/24/2023 9:58:33 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: wardaddy

“Their claim to their lands and culture is far stronger than ours”

Is this your schtick now? Condoning invasions and war of conquest by nations that have a “strong claim to lands and culture”?

Was Saddam your guy too?

China - Taiwan
North Korea - South Korea

It’s all about having a “strong claim” against another country’s territory?

In the nuclear age condoning wars of territorial conquest is Bad okay? Like, immoral.

Are you going to stack up all the deprivations and deaths in the RUS-UKR war and say they’re of lesser significance than corrupt, homo politicians and purple flags? I bet you will in some mad, Stronk! claim


83 posted on 03/24/2023 10:00:26 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: PGR88
That came later, with the rise of neocons, their empire, and the globalist, woke bubble-thinking of Washington DC.

They needed places to hide the continued GRIFT - offshore and behind military-controlled lines seems to work best!!
84 posted on 03/24/2023 10:13:11 AM PDT by ExTxMarine
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Doesn’t matter what someone thinks Reagan would have done. What the globalists did, and are doing, to Russia is totally wrong.

The evil WEF has for decades worked to remove anyone not supporting their agendas.


85 posted on 03/24/2023 10:18:51 AM PDT by TianaHighrider (God moved David to STAND UP to Goliath ❣)
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To: Right Brother

LOL. Sure is pantloads of BS peddled about here today.

I am glad I have a couple appointments to go to.


86 posted on 03/24/2023 10:20:31 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: dforest

After the Marines were killed in Beirut Reagan stayed out of lots of those messes. Buchanan was helpful with that.


87 posted on 03/24/2023 10:24:00 AM PDT by mware ( )
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Republican Party of Reagan would be Ukraine’s strongest supporters

If true, that party needs to die.

88 posted on 03/24/2023 10:24:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Spare us the Neocon propaganda.

Its not the 1930s.

Putin is not Hitler.

The Cold War is over.

Ukraine is not an ally.

Ukraine is not a Democracy.

America has no vital national interest in Ukraine.


89 posted on 03/24/2023 10:29:10 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: ChicagoConservative27

As a Reagan Republican, I have not been and shall not be a supporter of the messy “I divorce you - no, you can’t!”
situation between Russia and The Ukraine.


90 posted on 03/24/2023 10:34:32 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: dfwgator

[Instead the West economically raped it.]

What? We (the West) bought their gas and rented their rockets, sold them uranium even. The West did their best to lead them to civilization. I guess Patton was right.


91 posted on 03/24/2023 10:57:26 AM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“The Republican Party of Reagan would be Ukraine’s strongest supporters”


Nope.

I proudly voted for Reagan 4 times (primaries and general in ‘80 and ‘84), and while people like me would have supported fighting the Soviet Union in every possible way...the Soviet Union has ceased to exist. That’s not to say that Russia hasn’t and isn’t doing bad things - of course they are - but understanding the degree and nature of the threat is a thing.

Back then, you had a seemingly all-powerful and highly aggressive USSR trying to undermine and ultimately take over the West. Now Russia, the core of the USSR on every level, is bereft of not just its client states, but also of many of the former Soviet “republics.” Russia has an economy the size of New York State’s, it has a rapidly declining population, and it is incredibly vulnerable to foreign enemies. It is, basically, a Turd World country...except for those thousands of nukes.

The idea of seriously risking a nuclear exchange with the USSR was anathema to Reagan - and it is he (with Bill Casey) who engineered the bloodless fall of the evil Communist regime that ran/owned Russia for 75 years. Now there is even less reason to risk such a civilization-ending conflict - Russia simply wants to return to the physical security that it had 30 or so years ago, at a time when they know that they will never be able to field a truly large army again to defend themselves. Their incredible weakness in military technology and in the effective use of whatever manpower and equipment that they have, is a source of great insecurity for them, and us sending tens of billions in equipment plus supplying training and intelligence to Ukraine only makes that worse. You really, REALLY do NOT want a nuclear superpower to be insecure - that’s a recipe for having things turn out anything but well, and I am 100% confident that Reagan would be opposed to what Biden and the War Party (both Dems and Pubbies) are doing. He’d be negotiating a deal that would leave Russia very secure...within a box that they couldn’t leave. They are no threat to us, only to their neighbors because of insecurities that we have purposely exacerbated.


92 posted on 03/24/2023 11:00:14 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Farmerbob

I propose this here again.
Why would it not be just as effective in stopping Russia’s ability to wage war in Ukraine by the USA drilling, fracking, and pumping oil like mad to lower the world price? If Russia cannot sell HTEIR oil at a certain price floor, they cannot maintain their own economy at home, much less wage war in Ukraine. Just like the US bankrupted the Soviet Union in an arms race they could not keep up in, this would actually tank their economy as opposed to the current “sanctions” that hurt us as much or more than Russia.
Thoughts?


93 posted on 03/24/2023 11:01:53 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The Hill seems to be going down hill of late. The problem is Zelensky scorned Republicans and put all his eggs in the Democrat basket. He then paid off the son of the POTUS. So the one running the show in the Ukraine is totally depraved and corrupt.


94 posted on 03/24/2023 11:03:24 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: alternatives?

I know I bet Mike is all for the continued economic relationship with China. China today is America’s chief foe not Russia. He might want to consider that Russia’s economy is smaller than Italy’s.


95 posted on 03/24/2023 11:06:25 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: dennisw
100% correct. Too many conservatives are blinded by their hatred of Biden to see beyond domestic politics and look at the larger world.
96 posted on 03/24/2023 11:06:30 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: redfreedom; dfwgator

“ack to the main subject. Agreed. Reagan never would have been sucked into a Ukrainian war for had his policies proceeded after his terms, Russia would have been treated like any other beaten enemy, such as Japan and Germany. Today Japan and Germany are our allies. There is no reason Russia could not have been turned into an ally too.”


Agreed. We had a unique opportunity to gradually turn a generations-long enemy into a powerful friend over the course of a couple of succeeding generations. We didn’t just blow the opportunity, we rushed with gusto to destroy any vestige of a chance to accomplish this goal. We and the Russians share a lot in common: we are both continent-sized powers with immense natural resources; we are both Western countries (in terms of science) with large numbers of highly educated people; we both have sizeable minorities; and we both share 2 powerful and implacable enemies: China and radical Islam. SURELY there was lots of room to find ways to cooperate for our mutual interests, and to turn that cooperation into respect and, ultimately, friendship over a few decades. But the War Party didn’t want that, and they killed that dream.


97 posted on 03/24/2023 11:06:47 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: DannyTN

The way we view the world wars have changed and frankly Reagan was wrong in regards to the first world war. The tragedy in WWI, is that Wilson lied and had the USA enter that tragic war.


98 posted on 03/24/2023 11:08:11 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sam Gamgee

France never should have allied with Russia, should have let the Kaiser get it. France and England just didn’t like having a new kid on the block.


99 posted on 03/24/2023 11:08:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Are The Hill writers suddenly now supportive of Reagan and his policies? Just like the left now supports Bush and Romney who they despised just a few short years ago.

I have a distrust of people who tell me I should base my political positions on what someone else (now deceased) would support, when that person is obviously not available to state their actual position.


100 posted on 03/24/2023 11:13:32 AM PDT by CFW (old and retired)
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