Posted on 02/04/2023 5:57:53 AM PST by b_Cap37
One by one the lines have all been crossed. Patriot missile-defence systems. Bradley armoured fighting vehicles. Leopard and Abrams tanks. Weapons that NATO had previously balked at providing Ukraine, for fear of “provoking” Russia, are now being supplied in abundance, if not in haste. The latest Ukrainian request to give NATO pause is for F-16 fighter jets, though France and Italy are already talking of going ahead with these.
That is in part a measure of Russian weakness. Each new weapons shipment brings forth blood-curdling new threats from the Russian side, up to and including nuclear war. But Western strategists have sized up the Russian threats, and decided they are so much bluff. That does not mean Russia has no red lines, but if the West took seriously every Russian threat it would not even have imposed sanctions. The tactic has been to gradually raise the ante, gauging Russia’s response each time, and thus far it has worked.
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I have a good friend who is close to retirement from the Army. His wife is Russian; he met her while stationed in Japan where she was working as a translator for the UN. She speaks several languages fluently. When he was deployed to Europe last year she stayed with her parents in Russia with their little girl who is now a toddler.
Both of them are very informed and have a unique perspective. Neither is a big fan of Putin, but the hypocrisy of our current leadership in world affairs and Ukraine in particular has them both deeply disturbed. Much of what I post has been influenced by what they have told me.
You have all of your facts wrong. Biden and Putin are two American patriot hating peas in a pod. Biden is partnering with Putin to nuke up Iran and of course the “globohomo” EU built Russia’s army with energy purchases.
It sad to see broken and defeated conservatives humiliate themselves while looking for their political salvation in Nazi traited Russia. It’s not coming from there for American conservatives. Ever.
Your incoherent babbling makes no sense. But thanks for trying.
But if the escalation continues, the countries involved will begin to expand.
Does your gaslighting have no bounds? All we’ve heard from your side is how the Ukrainians are just a mob of Nazis. Putin himself has made many such statements.
You want links? Here are a few links:
Putin’s February 24, 2022 address announcing his “special military operation” where he claimed that “neo-Nazis” had seized power in Ukraine and that the goal of the “special military operation” was to “denazify” Ukraine.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67843
Putin’s remarks to the Russian Federation Security Council on February 21, 2022 were he describes the Ukrainian government as a “neo-Nazi Banderite regime”.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67825
Putin’s remarks to the Russian Federation Security Council on March 3, 2022 were he again says his goal is to “denazify” Ukraine. He adds “I will never abandon my conviction that Russians and Ukrainians are one nation.”
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67903
Putin’s address of September 21, 2022 were he describes that the Ukrainian government as a “neo-Nazi regime.”
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69390
So I’ll ask again. If Putin’s goal is to “denazify” Ukraine and the Ukrainian government itself is a “Nazi” or “new-Nazi” regime, how do you “denazify” Ukraine WITHOUT regime change?
:-)
” All we’ve heard from your side is how the Ukrainians are just a mob of Nazis. Putin himself has made many such statements.”
Link please.
Putin wants Minsk honored?! Oh my aching sides that is the most counterfactual thing I’ve read today.
If Putin wanted Minsk agreements honored, he wouldn’t have attempted assassinations in Ukraine over 15 years ago, he wouldn’t have pretended the “little green men” and Wagner had nothing to do with Russia, he wouldn’t have blackmailed Yanukovych in 2013, he would’ve sent peacekeepers into Crimea instead of annexing it, he would’ve pulled Wagner and the Kadyrovites out of eastern Ukraine, and he wouldn’t have made demands to NATO in 2021 to the effect of, “NATO must leave all of eastern Europe even if that renders them all defenceless against Russian aggression, or Russia will invade Ukraine in February and take Kyiv by force.”
Because... The first Accord signed in Minsk by Russia and Ukraine (both entirely cordially without any external coercion) was the Budapest Memorandum. It reinforced the Belovezha Accords, which in turn reinforced the Helsinki principles signed in 1975.
Pre-Putin Russia had already pledged to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and right of self-determination. The agreement said, in effect, no country must undermine those rights by attacking Ukraine econonomically, politically or military, AND the agreement made it abundantly clear that if any state attacked Ukraine in any of those ways, Ukraine had every right to call on the other Budapest signatories for support.
The UK still honors that agreement, the USA still honors that agreement, Yeltsin honored it, but Putin has been systematically violating it daily since his security forces attempted to assassinate the rival candidate to Yanukovych.
People who point out Ukraine had eight years to enforce a Minsk agreement bent in Russia’s favor rather forget that Russia has spent the better part of fifteen years violating an even more binding Minsk agreement which was ALSO set up in Russia’s favor.
If Ukraine is the frog, Putin is the scorpion. It doesn’t matter what Ukraine agrees to, or delivers, in relation to Minsk - Putin cannot help himself. Minsk prevents him having all the bits of Ukraine that he decides he wants, so he’ll be the one to violate it.
It’s in his nature.
The problem that Ukraine has is that its Nazis are not in jail, but IN THE GOVERNMENT.
[But I have no doubt that there are paid “influencers” among us also.]
Where would one go to get one of these paying gigs? I love supporting a free Ukraine and opposing the reconstitution of the soviet union by force. I would just like to get paid to do what I love.
“The problem that Ukraine has is that its Nazis are not in jail, but IN THE GOVERNMENT.”
Do you disagree with that? Or do you now consider them to be ‘good Nazis’, since they’re helping us terrorize Russians?
So I see that you have backed down from disputing my claim that your side has described the Ukrainian government a “Nazi regime.”
As for your Jan. 15 statement, I disagree with your position that there are Nazis in the government.
I still haven’t heard your response on how Putin intended to “denazify” Ukraine without regime change. Do you have any response?
You can’t dispute any fact I gave you so you just shoot the messenger. Typical.
Yep, you guys have some good links, and I also understand why you guys need to deny that the Azovs are part of the Ukraine government.
Problem is that you have to convince Putin of that, not me.
As to regime change, most of the Ukraine leadership has recently been ‘purged’ in one way or another, and so it’s getting a bit lonely for Zelensky...so I expect him to be gone sooner than later, with or without a push from Putin.
Many people claimed this was an inexpensive way to degrade the Russian military. It appears they are also degrading the military assets of the west. And whatever we spend to replace those assets is added to our debt and not available to be used for domestic needs.
You are avoiding the question. How was Putin intending to “denazify” Ukraine without regime change?
Also, please name one member of Zelensky’s cabinet who was a member of the Azov Battalion.
Why put words in my mouth - when did I say the Azovs were in his cabinet.
I already told you...Zelensky’s days in power (or overall) are numbered. If not Putin taking care of him, the Neocons will, since in the end, they don’t really want to have a nuclear war against Russia.
Daily Mail, really.? you really need to watch that western MSM. You are going to wake up with one heck of a hangover.
Hint: Vlad isn’t giving up his ethnic Russian provinces, his Feb 24th stated objectives are soon to be realized.
Why is it so hard to answer the question: How was Putin intending to “denazify” Ukraine without regime change?
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