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Should Ukraine be part of NATO? The answer: it already is.
Globe and Mail - Canada ^ | Feb 4, 2023

Posted on 02/04/2023 5:57:53 AM PST by b_Cap37

One by one the lines have all been crossed. Patriot missile-defence systems. Bradley armoured fighting vehicles. Leopard and Abrams tanks. Weapons that NATO had previously balked at providing Ukraine, for fear of “provoking” Russia, are now being supplied in abundance, if not in haste. The latest Ukrainian request to give NATO pause is for F-16 fighter jets, though France and Italy are already talking of going ahead with these.

That is in part a measure of Russian weakness. Each new weapons shipment brings forth blood-curdling new threats from the Russian side, up to and including nuclear war. But Western strategists have sized up the Russian threats, and decided they are so much bluff. That does not mean Russia has no red lines, but if the West took seriously every Russian threat it would not even have imposed sanctions. The tactic has been to gradually raise the ante, gauging Russia’s response each time, and thus far it has worked.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agitprop; bidenteamnarrative; isitatreatyornot; joewantsaworldwar; lawlessregime; nato; noitisnt; ukraine; undeclaredwar; war; whatconstitution
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1 posted on 02/04/2023 5:57:53 AM PST by b_Cap37
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To: b_Cap37

“The tactic has been to gradually raise the ante, gauging Russia’s response each time, and thus far it has worked.”

Sounds like 1914 in a making:)


2 posted on 02/04/2023 5:59:44 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: b_Cap37

Baloney. Or, malarkey, as the president says. Dangerous malarkey, nevertheless.


3 posted on 02/04/2023 6:02:05 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: NorseViking

only two countries fighting

that’s hardly a World War


4 posted on 02/04/2023 6:02:35 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month now, and no end in sight)
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To: b_Cap37

Russia destroyed the Uke military hardware.
Russia is well into their objective>destroy the Uke armed forces.
Now, the Russians are fighting NATO.

Russia is holding back to A) full fill their two objects B) Prep for the all out NATO/Globalist attack


5 posted on 02/04/2023 6:09:15 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Steven Tyler

Russia hasn’t been holding back. It’s just that it has fought this war incompetently, thinking that it would be a walk over instead of a protracted war.


6 posted on 02/04/2023 6:12:10 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: b_Cap37

Only a fool would analyze the West’s actions over the last year and conclude, yep, we’ve been successful sticking it to Russia. And, the piece fails to mention details such as Russia warning us not to give Ukraine depleted uranium shells, and U.S. agreeing.

Further, the Russians have not threatened nuclear war for sending that list of equipment. Rather, they threaten to destroy it, which they do.

We and Canada, on the other hand have allowed our airspace to be penetrated and violated by Chinese spy balloons.

So who exactly are masters of the current situation?


7 posted on 02/04/2023 6:15:35 AM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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To: b_Cap37

“Should Ukraine be part of NATO? The answer: it already is.”

Future answer: It already was.


8 posted on 02/04/2023 6:17:00 AM PST by BobL
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To: b_Cap37

Literal nonsense that Italy is considering sending fighter jets to Ukraine.


9 posted on 02/04/2023 6:18:20 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: b_Cap37; All

Russia is being depleted by its stupid expansionist land grabbing strategy.

Vladimir Putin has lost half of Russia’s elite airborne troops in botched Ukraine war

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-lost-half-russias-29109033

If Ukraine had been in NATO un the first place, there would have been any war. And Russia would have been twice as well equiped, Its being depleted, hopfully that will calm Russia a bit from the urge of attacking any further sovereign countries.


10 posted on 02/04/2023 6:19:21 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: Salohcin

Their original strategy was to drive Ukraine to the bargaining table, which they did back in March. After those negotiations were scuttled, Russia changed its approach. Their current goal is to utterly destroy Ukraine’s fighting capacity. The slow, grinding efforts we are watching are a war of attrition that is working. That is why the West is panicking and sending lists of assorted equipment that would have been meaningful a year ago but are now useless.


11 posted on 02/04/2023 6:21:45 AM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Russia is being depleted by its stupid expansionist land grabbing strategy.
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NATO and the US is being depleted by its stupid expansionist land grabbing strategy…..I fixed it for you.


12 posted on 02/04/2023 6:25:26 AM PST by delta7
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

Incorrect. Russia’s original strategy was to make a swift decapitating airborne assault on key government sites in Kyiv, which would then be quickly reinforced by armored columns sprinting across the borders. They failed.


13 posted on 02/04/2023 6:25:45 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: b_Cap37

We already are in WW-III. Just no American troops in it. Yet.


14 posted on 02/04/2023 6:29:36 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Let me remind you the Russian Federation now has a 1.5 million man army. The Russian troops in Ukraine are a spit in the bucket, they have wisely bolstered their military, holding back their troops for a possible NATO intervention. NATO is an emasculated tiger and everyone knows it.


15 posted on 02/04/2023 6:30:09 AM PST by delta7
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To: Steven Tyler
Prep for the all out NATO/Globalist attack

LOL

an attack on a nuclear country ... you can't be serious


16 posted on 02/04/2023 6:31:06 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month now, and no end in sight)
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To: delta7; All

“Let me remind you the Russian Federation now has a 1.5 million man army.”

>>>>>>>>

Well... they have already lost 200.000 Russian soldiers in only a year of battle against one small country - Ukraine.
That alone is a spectacular demonstration of Russias weakness and inefficiency when it comes to attacking sovereign nations.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11709517/Russian-casualties-Ukraine-nearing-200-000-officials-say.html?ico=topics_pagination_mobile


17 posted on 02/04/2023 6:46:00 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: Salohcin

All in an effort to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table, which worked. Did you forget about the talks in Istanbul?

I notice how you didn’t claim they were failing now.


18 posted on 02/04/2023 6:57:30 AM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

Incorrect again. It was an attempt at regime change. Putin wanted to remove (if not kill) Zelenskiy and install a puppet government. Putin didn’t want just a few eastern provinces, he wanted the entire country.

As for today, Putin probably still prefers to install a puppet regime but may settle for territories that he “annexed” last year. It is still to be seen if that is just up to the line of contact or if he will insist on the territory of these the five oblasts that Ukraine still controls.

The current state of the war is a stalemate. Although the Russians have made some minor progress in the past week, neither side has yet to show they have the capacity to deliver a decisive blow on the battlefield. Even a Ukrainian withdrawal from Bakhmut wouldn’t be decisive if the Ukrainians fall back to a second line of defense, which they have had months to prepare.

Russia’s best chance to win this war is if it can convince the West to stop sending military supplies to Ukraine. This is what is behind so much of the Russian information operation campaign that we see here on FR.


19 posted on 02/04/2023 7:09:50 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: canuck_conservative

NATO is not competent
Let’s see what happens


20 posted on 02/04/2023 7:21:02 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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