Posted on 12/06/2022 5:47:22 PM PST by Hojczyk
The Department of Energy’s Argonne National Lab has just released a study showing that in 2021, US privately-owned plugin hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) and electric vehicles (EVs) “saved about 690 million gallons of gasoline.”
But that is a huge exaggeration because fossil fuels provide 61% of the electricity in the US … so only about a third of that apparent savings is a real reduction in fossil fuel use, the equivalent of maybe 130 million gallons.
The Argonne report also says that from 2010 to 2021, EVs have saved 2.1 billion gallons of gas. So let’s be generous and say that in 11 years, EVs have saved about a third of that, the equivalent of about 750 million gallons of gas.
Now that sure sounds like a lot of gasoline, three-quarters of a billion gallons.
However, as always, a sense of perspective is required. The US uses about 370 million gallons of gas per day … so that’s only about two days’ worth of gas.
I say again. Over the last eleven years, electric vehicles in the US have saved Two. Days. Worth. Of. Gasoline.
At enormous cost:
Direct taxpayer subsidies for EVs have cost you and me $10 billion dollars to date, and we’re on the hook for more. The government just extended the EV subsidy until 2032 and removed the cap on the number of vehicles eligible for the subsidy.
It gets worse. The US government also just approved spending an additional $7.5 billion of taxpayer money on EV charging stations.
So to date, we’re spending TWENTY-THREE DOLLARS for each gallon of gasoline saved … economic suicide.
And all of the world’s worst countries are laughing at us.
Electric vehicles have been around for well over a century, but they lost out to internal combustion vehicles because gas-powered cars are cheaper and better. That is still true today, regardless of how many billions of dollars governments shovel at subsidies for electric vehicles.
Evidently the two of you MISSED MY FIRST TWO SENTENCES in my post: "EV's aren't for everyone. And I hate the Dims trying to force them on people."
I like EV's from a free market perspective, for the people who think it's good for them and willing to pay for them. I also join my fellow FReepers in being against the control-freak Dims trying to force EV's or anything else onto us. I just believe, unlike many folks here evidently, that we should make our arguments with actual information and not made up numbers and such like the left does. The left follows the prince of lies and make their arguments as such. Our arguments should be based on facts.
Look at all the times I've posted about how my wife and I use our EV combined with solar at our home to make us less dependent on things the gubment regulates (like they very much do with energy). Not once have I ever said it's best for the environment or stops the cow fart warmageddon or any of that hogwash. I'm just a fellow small-government minded FReeper swapping ideas on how to put a hedge betweenmretirement savings and the Dims who use inflation to try to eat away our wealth (particularly with energy cost inflation). I've liked some ideas other FReepers posted enough to implement some of them. Whether or not other FReepers like some of my ideas is up to them.
But you two associating me with the warmageddonist cult is almost as insulting as calling me an Auburn fan. LOL
see post # 61
Power station Don’t burn gasoline, they burn NG. Cars don’t burn NG, they burn gasoline.Ignorance is bliss.
This irks me the most - you and I are subsidizing all those Teslas on the road.Actually we're subsidizing the richest man in the world and all of his pet projects including studying brain implants and IMHO, worst of all, Twitter.
Let's have some fun with math.
I read elsewhere that, for each kWh generated in the U.S., an average of 0.822 pounds of CO2 is released at the power plant. Coal releases 2.3 pounds, petroleum releases 2.1 pounds, and natural gas releases 0.9 pounds.
The average passenger car emits 0.77 pounds of CO2 per mile driven.
If you EV gets 3 miles of driving capacity per kWh, then power plants have to produce 133.3 kWh of electrocity for you to obtain a "full charge" of 400 miles.
133.3 kWh*0.822 means a full EV charge produces 109.6 pounds of CO, on average, or 306 pounds from coal, 280 pounds from petroleum, and 120 pounds from natural gas.
Your ICE would produce 0.77*400=308 pounds of carbon.
Therefore, EVs are "carbon neutral" vs ICE if it's a coal-fired power plant, but an EV is "carbon positive" for other forms of utility power generation.
I think...
“there was significant radiation release from the plant so we don’t really know the death toll from radiation related cancers. “
Radiation releases were examined with results indicating no additional cancers to surrounding population.
Stop spreading fake environmentalists’ propaganda.
Whether or not you believe in the glo bull warming scam is not the point. Your focusing on saving a buck does in fact, do more harm to the environment than driving an ICE and plays into the hands of the WEF et al who plan bringing the population down to 500 million. EVs are a key component of the green plan. I would think a thinking conservative would choose not to participate on principle.
so you blindly believe what the wacko environmental sites and its pukes say
no wonder you’re an EV spammer
“Tesla’s eligibility for the previous tax credits ended in Jan. 2020 when it hit the 200,000 limit on vehicles sold per automaker.”
see post # 61
“but eliciting your responses may help others see how shortsighted the chinee solar panel, environment-killing battery, eternally waiting to charge your vehicle, dependence on the grid for transportation, ugly bird-slaughtering windmills and beholden to socialist government the green scam truly is.”
ROTFLMAO!
the wacko environmental sites and its pukes are desperately pushing your green dystopia.
can I assume you agree with it?
RegFurther, I would surmize the recent eruptions have pretty much eliminated the last 30 years of human efforts to reduce CO2.
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