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To: DoodleBob
EV's are not carbon neutral. Nothing is completely carbon neutral. The energy inputs required to manufacture an EV are 7 to 8 times greater than the energy inputs to manufacture an ICE. Over the life of the vehicle EVs have a larger carbon footprint than ICEs. When you consider the energy loss by transmissions of electricity through the grid the comparision is even worse. Except for nuclear, petroleum is still the most efficient source of energy.

RegFurther, I would surmize the recent eruptions have pretty much eliminated the last 30 years of human efforts to reduce CO2.

80 posted on 12/06/2022 8:15:23 PM PST by suijuris (Once a man learns to see he finds himself alone in the world with nothing but folly.)
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To: suijuris

“The energy inputs required to manufacture an EV are 7 to 8 times greater than the energy inputs to manufacture an ICE. “

I think you just made that up!

When you consider the energy loss by transmissions of electricity through the grid the comparision is even worse. “

Less than the loss of transporting gasoline to the user.

“Except for nuclear, petroleum is still the most efficient source of energy.”

No. Electricity generated by NG combined cycle plants used tompower EV’s is more than twice the efficiency of using petroleum to power cars.


87 posted on 12/06/2022 8:39:22 PM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: suijuris; Tell It Right
EV's are not carbon neutral.

I never said they are all-in carbon neutral.

That's a massive calculation.

All I performed was a simple CO2 "cost" comparison for a full tank of gas vs electric power generation.

The math is clear: EVs cause less CO2 "pollution" vs an ICE with sole regard to electricy vs gasoline as long as it's not a coal-fired generator.

I'm not saying we need to give more billions to the EPA, we have to build windmills everywhere, and zat choo vill eeeet ze bugz and choo vill like eeet. But if we can't be honest, then we have met the enemy and he is us.

Tell It Right has the freedom to optimize his own utility curve. If liberty to him is solar and EV, and he's not using force nor fraud, then it's none of my business. Nor is he giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Nor am I by disclosing the mathematics.

91 posted on 12/06/2022 8:56:52 PM PST by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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