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HAS UKRAINE’S ARMY BEEN REDUCED BY ALMOST 50%?
Sonar 21 ^ | 30 November 2022 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 12/01/2022 9:34:55 AM PST by Kazan

Ursula von Der Leyen’s did the unthinkable today — she told the truth. During a speech condemning Russia for committing war crimes, she noted in passing that 100,000 Ukrainian “officers” (sic) have been killed since the start of the SMO.

Ukraine was not happy:

Ukraine has hit back at a claim by the European Commission’s president that 100,000 of Kyiv’s troops have been killed since Russia’s invasion in February.

Ursula von der Leyen used the number in a video address, prompting Kyiv’s armed forces to state that the death toll was “classified information.” Footage of her speech has since been edited to cut the reference.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-von-der-leyen-death-toll-1763553

The European Union stupidly tried to walk this back by erasing von der Leyen’s claim from the internet. That “walk back” failed. Which raises the question — who is a better Moon Walker? Von der Leyen or Michael Jackson?

I know. Michael Jackson of course. I do not believe that von der Leyen misspoke nor did she fabricate the number. If it really was an error of fact all she had to do was issue a statement to that effect, e.g., “Mea culpa, I meant to say 10,000 not 100,000”. She did not do that. She pretended she never said what she said.

If the 100,000 dead number is true, then that means Ukraine’s total casualties — i.e., killed and wounded — is approximately 400,000. In other words, Ukraine has suffered almost 40% casualties since the start of the fighting. During the 20th Century, this type of modern warfare normally saw 3 wounded soldiers for every man killed. Using that ratio we get the 400,000 number for total casualties.

When the war kicked off in February, Ukraine’s total manpower for ground forces was 1,125,000:

According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Ukraine has 196,600 active military personnel.

This breaks down into 125,600 ground troops, 35,000 airmen and 15,000 naval troops.

It can also count on 900,000 reservists although, as recent images of civilians holding wooden rifles suggest, not all of these forces are necessarily well equipped.

https://ukrainewar.info/russian-ukrainian-war-how-big-is-the-ukrainian-army-size-of-the-armed-forces-compared-to-russia-uk-usa-and-nato/

Ukraine’s state of emergency is still in effect and the reservists have been called to duty. In fact, Ukraine has gone beyond its normal reserve force strength and has been compelled by necessity to dragoon middle aged men into service. These are the “territorial defense” forces.

Is the 100,000 number of fatalities credible? Yes. If you consider that 275 days have come and gone since the start of Russia’s Special Military Operation on 24 February 2022, there must be an average of 364 KIA to reach the 100,000 dead figure. If you have followed the daily Russian MOD briefings, you would realize this is an accurate number. Here is today’s report, which reports approximately 190 KIA:

In Donetsk direction, as a result of offensive actions by Russian troops, near Belogorovka and Pershe Travnya . . . up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, 4 armoured fighting vehicles, 3 self-propelled artillery units and 6 motor vehicles have been eliminated.

In Kupyansk direction . . . Firepower’s operation has resulted in halting and driving the enemy back to initial positions. Up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, 10 tanks, 1 infantry fighting vehicle, 2 armoured personnel carriers, 1 self-propelled artillery unit and 1 motor vehicle have been eliminated.

In Krasniy Liman direction, three AFU company tactical groups, reinforced with tanks, unsuccessfully tried to attack Russian positions towards Ploshchanka, Chervonopopovka and Zhytlovka (Lugansk People’s Republic). . . As a result of the shelling, the enemy’s losses in this direction amounted to over 40 Ukrainian servicemen, 1 tank, 4 infantry fighting vehicles and 1 munition vehicle.

In South Donetsk direction, three AFU company tactical groups attempted to counterattack Russian positions near Novomikhaylovka, Novodonetskoye and Novosyolka (Donetsk People’s Republic). The counter-attacks have been repelled as a result of gunfire and active actions by Russian units. . . More than 50 Ukrainian servicemen, 2 infantry fighting vehicles, 2 armoured personnel carriers, 1 MT-LB, 1 armoured motor vehicle and 4 motor vehicles have been eliminated.

As I have discussed previously, Russia’s current military leadership is not following the tactics Soviet generals employed in WW II (i.e., mass troop assaults). Russia primarily has relied on massive artillery and rocket/missile strikes before launching a ground offensive. The Russian rate of artillery fire is unlike anything we’ve seen in history. More importantly, the accuracy of the artillery is enhanced by the use of drones and satellites to adjust fires, with updated coordinates relayed in real time to the artillery units.

Another factor contributing to Ukraine’s horrendous casualties is its lack of air power and effective air defense systems to counter Russian batteries. If Ukrainian troops try to attack a Russian fixed position, their movement by foot or vehicle is unprotected and vulnerable to Russian artillery or combat air.

It appears that some Western analysts who previously pooh-poohed the Russian tactics, are finally beginning to realize that Russia is serious about de-militarizing Ukraine via methodical, grinding tactics. There will come a point when Ukraine runs out of men and cannot field a combat effective force. It appears that day is approaching.


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To: Salohcin
Most likely explanation is that she was told there were 100,000 casualties and like many civilians with no military background thought that “casualties” meant “killed.” If that was the case, then the real number is about 25,000 killed and 75,000 wounded. This misunderstanding of military terms is very common.

My suspicion is you are correct.

It fits in with the likely casualties for Russian troops.

It is what you would expect in a "near peer" conflict, such as this war.

21 posted on 12/01/2022 10:10:18 AM PST by marktwain
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To: cranked

And yet with her statements admitting in the direction of the truth (combined with the leaked Ukrainian documents on Telegram and Twitter being bolstered by her comments), some Obama/Nuland/Biden agenda proponents on Ukraine have nothing beyond attacking those who report on these things (as Larry Johnson did) rather than attacking what they have reported and showing exactly where they are wrong.


22 posted on 12/01/2022 10:13:17 AM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...; cranked
Leaked Ukrainian documents on Telegram and Twitter a few months back

you clowns are lying again with your Russian propaganda

btw why is Russia retreating?

LOL


23 posted on 12/01/2022 10:16:32 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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As another person posted 2 days ago:

👉 “The New York Times also recognized the high losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Bakhmut, confirming the figures of 250 wounded per day.”

https://twitter.com/SpriterMonitor1/status/1596943128229203968

👉 “This is the hospital they’re talking about. It’s a hospital, not a field hospital with tents or a first aid station. A fully staffed hospital. Well, staffed as well as it can be under these circumstances. 250 is just the door count at this location.”

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1597282642910932992

👉 “Some kilometers north #RussianArmy & #DPR forces entered in the town of Spirne/Спірне without resistance following the withdrawal of #UkrainianArmy. Combing operations continue to secure the town completely.”

https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1597293430518198274

👉 “1,200 Polish soldiers dead and about 3 times that number injured in the SMO.”

https://twitter.com/Nikolai11449196/status/1597306195215536128


24 posted on 12/01/2022 10:19:49 AM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Salohcin

“Most likely explanation is that she was told there were 100,000 casualties and like many civilians with no military background thought that “casualties” meant “killed.” If that was the case, then the real number is about 25,000 killed and 75,000 wounded. This misunderstanding of military terms is very common.”

My first thought was “100,000 casualties out of action, not dead. That’s still a problem for Ukraine of course.


25 posted on 12/01/2022 10:21:21 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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To: Kazan

It is quite obvious for many reasons, not so obvious for those reading only western MSM. The truth is emerging, slowly but surely.

Ukraine 1991-2023 RIP


26 posted on 12/01/2022 10:22:10 AM PST by delta7
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Ukraine is being chewed up so badly they are now relying on things like this:

👉 Forbes, 11/30/22: Ukraine’s World War II-Vintage Howitzers Still Work Just Fine

“The Ukrainian army’s newest howitzers also are among its oldest. On Sunday, the first video appeared online depicting ex-Lithuanian M101 howitzers in front-line use by Ukrainian forces, apparently somewhere in eastern Ukraine. The 105-millimeter M101 was the standard light howitzer for U.S. and allied forces ... in World War II. ...”


27 posted on 12/01/2022 10:22:36 AM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Kazan

I think that Russia has a bad surprise for the Ukrainians writhing a week or two. The Ukrainian ground should be frozen solid by that time.


28 posted on 12/01/2022 10:26:31 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Kazan

The army hohostan started this war with is mostly gone, replaced by mercs...


29 posted on 12/01/2022 10:27:41 AM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: EEGator

Saint George Washington Zelensky shall have to go to Moscow and single-handedly defeat it for the 9th time.


30 posted on 12/01/2022 10:27:52 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Kazan

George Soros intends to defend his Ukraine criminal empire to the last Ukrainian life.


31 posted on 12/01/2022 10:31:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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To: WMarshal

If there’s a man capable enough it’s him.

(Or The Ghost of Kyiv...perhaps Tank Girl)


32 posted on 12/01/2022 10:31:49 AM PST by EEGator
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To: canuck_conservative

“btw why is Russia retreating?”

Lulz.
That Western/UK/EU/US/NATO propaganda....
Are you on your knees when you swallow it, resident of Canuckistan?

‘Chronicle of the Special Military Operation
November 30, 2022”
https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1598136797082849281


33 posted on 12/01/2022 10:38:56 AM PST by cranked
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To: Its All Over Except ...

“And yet with her statements admitting in the direction of the truth (combined with the leaked Ukrainian documents on Telegram and Twitter being bolstered by her comments), some Obama/Nuland/Biden agenda proponents on Ukraine have nothing beyond attacking those who report on these things (as Larry Johnson did) rather than attacking what they have reported and showing exactly where they are wrong.”

One word: Denialism. ;-)


34 posted on 12/01/2022 10:39:42 AM PST by cranked
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To: Fai Mao

That’s total BS. Russia’s economy is peaking while allo western economies are collapsing including ours... That is pretty ****ing far from a spent force...


35 posted on 12/01/2022 10:41:09 AM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: EEGator

Washington’s Carthaginian Peace Collides With Reality

The Biden administration refuses to tell the American people the truth: Ukraine is not winning and will not win this war.

Col Douglas Macregor / Nov 29

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/washingtons-carthaginian-peace-collides-with-reality/

The national political and military leaders who committed America to wars of choice in Vietnam, the Balkans, Afghanistan, and Iraq, did so as a rule because they were convinced the fighting would be short and decisive. American presidents, presidential advisors, and senior military leaders never stopped to consider that national strategy, if it exists at all, consists of avoiding conflict unless the nation is attacked and compelled to fight.

The latest victim of this mentality is Ukraine.
[rest at link]


36 posted on 12/01/2022 10:51:34 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the link.


37 posted on 12/01/2022 10:52:52 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

🤣😂🤣


38 posted on 12/01/2022 11:14:38 AM PST by Four of Six
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To: ganeemead

What I meant was that Russia is not the super power that it is thought of.

A super power, waging war where it has short logistic and supply lines directly into its territory, should have overrun Ukraine.

It is, in that regard, if not a spent force, then at least not the force it assumed to be.


39 posted on 12/01/2022 11:25:56 AM PST by Fai Mao (Stop feeding the beast, and steal its food!)
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To: Salohcin
It is not only the most likely explanation, but it in fact the explanation provided by the European Commission already yesterday.
40 posted on 12/01/2022 11:58:33 AM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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