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B-17 bomber and a smaller plane collide at Dallas airshow
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Posted on 11/12/2022 12:11:57 PM PST by janetjanet998

B-17 bomber and a smaller plane collide at Dallas airshow


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KEYWORDS: airshow; aviation; texas; traed; tragedy
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To: pepsi_junkie

I read from another source the P-63 pilot had approximately 30,000 flight hours. Obviously, I cannot verify this. It will come out soon enough. The videos I have seen here on FR do make it appear like the smaller plane flew into the B-17 but the videos on the Daily Mail present the supposition the B-17 flew into the P-63’s flight path. Their commentary says the same. These pilots are thoroughly checked out, vetted, trained on the particular aircraft and are well known to each other. They are briefed before the day’s flights with flight plans for the show as well as commo plans. Personally, I cannot believe any of this terrible tragedy is intentional. May God receive them into His arms of mercy and may He bless and comfort these families and loved ones.


161 posted on 11/12/2022 6:54:30 PM PST by miele man
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To: GingisK; All
The smaller airplane was a P-51, which is an interceptor.

It was a Bell P-63 Kingcobra, not a P-51.

162 posted on 11/12/2022 7:07:59 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: New Perspective

I think it may be more a misunderstanding of how the fighter is actually moving relative to the axis (plural / all 3) of the plane. I can easily visualize the blind spot — it’s a bit harder to visualize vectoring right into it.

(Disclaimer - I am not a pilot, but this effect occurs in good video games.)

I’m noting on You Tube threads a few comments by air show pilots that it appears the P-63 was considerably to the right of the other fighters in the circuit the fighters were supposed to be flying. The pilot of the P-63 banking to get back in circuit might have put the B-17 right in the P-63’s blind spot?

For example, see the comment by one Jon Fox, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OZf0NnHLU


163 posted on 11/12/2022 8:27:12 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: pepsi_junkie; Chode; SkyDancer; Salamander; Carriage Hill; Lockbox; MtnClimber; nascarnation; ...

Possibly a Medical Situation for the P63 Pilot ???

Prayers for All.


164 posted on 11/12/2022 8:48:14 PM PST by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !7)
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To: Bikkuri
I wish I could have seen that..

Doc and FiFi flying together.

Doc sure is looking all freshly polished in these videos. He'll probably never have a Hollywood screen credit list painted on his underside like FiFi has, though.

165 posted on 11/12/2022 9:03:41 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: virgil; All
A Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and a Bell P-63 Kingcobra

NOT a P-51 Mustang.

166 posted on 11/12/2022 9:07:11 PM PST by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !7)
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To: mabarker1

the last of wut, 3 still flying?


167 posted on 11/12/2022 9:13:44 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: mabarker1

This is why I never go to air shows, despite Himself being a huge fan of them, having been an Air Force mechanic years ago.

I’ve seen videos of airshow disasters and planes crashing into crowds, so *nope*.


168 posted on 11/12/2022 9:53:35 PM PST by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FUF)
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To: Chode

Which ? 17 or 63.


169 posted on 11/12/2022 11:51:39 PM PST by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !7)
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To: Salamander; Squantos; Chode

I understand.

At Randolph AFB way back (like 2000 or so) as We were walking to the Flight Line upon arrival for the day the Golden Knights were in mid show and 1 of them had Main Chute snarl and so did the Emergency Chute.

I watched Him go into the trees at the edge of the field and the Emergency Crews scrambling to the scene.

Never found out any information, even checking with FR Sources.


170 posted on 11/13/2022 12:01:48 AM PST by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !7)
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To: Charles Martel

Thank you very much for that link. I got chillbumps at first.. lol.
Was that a B-24 or B-25 escort toward the end?
Either way, those B-29s made it look small ;^)
Glad to see FiFi is still in the air and glad Doc was added to the flyable.


171 posted on 11/13/2022 12:35:18 AM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: Mr.Unique
Obviously You didn't read on. In a few posts further down I pointed out that the wing shape of the P-51 didn't match the airplane in the video. Then I searched for more news and discovered that the fighter was a Bell P-63. I was the first to post that on the thread.

Freepers are quick to give others lip. They are a nasty lot. (I joined eons ago)

172 posted on 11/13/2022 5:55:01 AM PST by GingisK
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To: OldMissileer

I posted the very same thing just a few posts later. I think I was the first in the thread to do so. The shape of the P-51 wing did not match the plane in the video, so I looked for more news stories.


173 posted on 11/13/2022 5:56:51 AM PST by GingisK
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To: mabarker1

You are very late to the party. That was pointed out WAY long ago in the thread.


174 posted on 11/13/2022 5:57:37 AM PST by GingisK
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To: OldMissileer

The pilot’s eyes are even further ahead of the wing’s leading edge on the P-63 than the P-51. The point I was making is still valid. Fighter pilots have weighed in, however, explaining that something as big as a B-17 could hide under the nose of both fighters.


175 posted on 11/13/2022 6:02:59 AM PST by GingisK
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To: janetjanet998

Hate to say it but it looks deliberate.


176 posted on 11/13/2022 6:08:49 AM PST by OKSooner ("Oh, the mad fools!")
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To: GingisK
I was the first to post that on the thread.

Why would you post something so verifiably false to try to cover for yourself?

177 posted on 11/13/2022 7:46:44 AM PST by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: mabarker1

cobra... can’t be many left


178 posted on 11/13/2022 8:00:33 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: mabarker1

I was planning on going on the B-17 next time it came to Amarillo .......


179 posted on 11/13/2022 9:45:57 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Bikkuri

Here’s the whole story on “Doc”

https://www.b29doc.com


180 posted on 11/13/2022 10:07:28 AM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even n the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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