Tesla is KICKING Toyota's BUTT | Toyota acting like Kodak

Cleanerwatt ^ | NOVEMBER 12 2022 | Cleanerwatt

[SmokingJoe]

When it comes to EVs, Toyota has been dragging their feet, but now reality is hitting them smack in the face - they were wrong about EVs - and are beginning to look a bit like Kodak. Meanwhile, Tesla has been kicking butt and taking names and Toyota may soon be a relic of the past if they don’t pivot quickly.

The trouble with Toyota is, they have been number 1 in the car business for so long, they find it hard to turn round and even contemplate reducing their dominant position in the ICE vehicles to commit seriously to EV's. They are still making half hearted efforts with their hybrid cars and a very small market share in EVs. Its going to cost them sooner or later.

[dennisw]

Toyota is not wrong about EVs. It is going the hybrid route, which looks better to me. If your hybrid can only do 40-50 miles on the fully charged battery... This means the battery is smaller, not as heavy. Easier to fully charge at night while plugged into a 220 volt line.

This way, if you mostly drive around town daily, you can go fully electric and save by not buying gasoline. Then in effect you are owning and driving an EV. At the same time, you can take a 1000 mile quickie family vacation and go (nearly) all gasoline powered.

[Bulwyf]

Need my one ton diesel for work, and northern Alberta is not very forgiving. Be a lousy way to go, stuck somewhere at -30.

[AnthonySoprano]

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The most strident liberal said to me, when everyone is using Electric vehicles, the cost of Electricity has to skyrocket.

Welcome to the party, pal.

The upfront cost is the cheap part of EV.

The cost over time is staggering.

Range dries up, mining of minerals is a nightmare.

Govt Subsidies are keeping the whole thing going.

[McGruff]

Is that another way of saying Teslas are way overpriced?

[Revel]

The Day will come when EV’s are good for nothing but lawn ornaments. The way things are going I don’t expect the lights to be on forever.

[NorseViking]

Yep, all these mandates to get rid of ICE by date are as if someone in the 1950s mandated to close the coal firing plants by 1960, “because cold fission is just 5 years away”. It is still 5 years away 70 years later.

[Flying Circus]

Toyota is a industry leader with their hybrids starting with the Prius. Hybrids are more complex but I prefer to have an onboard generator to keep my vehicle going rather than be stuck 75%+ of my time waiting for my car to charge. A pure electric is fine if all you do is go back and forth on a commute. However if you want to go on a roar trip on occasion, live in the frigid north or don’t have ready access to a charging port (like lots of city apartment dwellers) then pure electric vehicles come up short.

Teslas are trendy right now and have established themselves as the leader in electric cars, but they don’t have the build quality or low lifetime costs of a Toyota. A similarly priced Lexus 10 years later and with 200kmiles is going to be ready to keep on going without any major outlays for repair. You won’t find a Tesla still going after that time without a lot more money spent on batteries for it.

[NWFree]

It has more to do with rich dumb libtards overpaying for battery cars than Tesla kicking Toyota. Toyota builds cars that Tesla doesn’t even offer

[Renfrew]

In 20 years it is almost certain that EVs will be 25% of the cars sold, and could be 75%.

Even at the low end it gives Tesla a good chance of becoming the world’s most valuable company.

Even at the high end there is still a decent market for ICE vehicles and hybrids and Toyota is smart to be the only major to not abandon those options.

[metmom]

I doubt it because I’d buy a hybrid Toyota any day before I’d even consider a Tesla.

[Dr. Sivana]

The oil and gas companies have received government subsidies for decades.
And GM got a huge loan of over $50 Billion in 2008, out of which they were not able to pay back $11 Billion so the federal government was forced to write that $11 Billion off. Thats subsidies.
And if you think Toyota is going to do an Apple iPod on Tesla, you are living in could cuckoo-land.

The subsidies the CAR companies got do not come close per car that EV manufacturers got for sales ($7,000+ per car depending on state).

EVs get the HOV lanes, gas cars don't get that, and never have.

Gas cars pay gas taxes, electric taxes in most jurisdictions are considerably less, and they do NOT support the road infrastructure that EVs use.

I only used Apple as an example to show that you don't have to be first on a trend to be a leader.

I am not even against EVs, but I don't see them as being the #1 car in the household for most people. They are quiet, they can be very reliable, performance for speed and acceleration is usually excellent, depending on your use they may be less expensive to operate once you pay for the more expensive car itself. That alone does not make it the most desirable choice for a new car or SUV.

Worse than the government incentives are the crushing regulations put on ICE car & truck manufacturers. If the government pulled back we would not have cars 4 cylinder turbos where there should be V-6s, and CVTs, where there should be regular automatic transmissions, and mandated computer crap that a lot people neither want to have nor pay for. We would also have somewhat underpowered but functional $12,000 cars that don't have a flotilla of airbags.

Toyota and Ford didn't take the bailout money, and GM's $$$ spent on EVs has not resulted in a great return. Jumping in with Volt and Bolt and the EV Caddy hasn't brought them any real return. Toyota is wise to wait.

Good luck to Tesla, they set a nice standard for EVs, and best to Rivian and the rest. I am confident that Toyota will still be standing when everything settles down.

[NWFree]

Plus I can tuck my 2 hot rods and my hayabusa into the garage safe and sound every night. If you do that with a Tesla it might KILL you

[NWFree]

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[NWFree]

Just park your overpriced battery car outside in the hail and the crime like the car maker warned you to do.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/is-it-immoral-to-drive-an-electric-vehicle.php

[GaryCrow]

Toyota knows that EV’s aren’t ready for prime time. Until a massive breakthrough in battery technology happens they’re just toys. A bunch of greenie lunatics wishing it was so doesn’t make it true.

[minnesota_bound]

Globally, Toyota sold around 10.5 million vehicles between January and December 2021

Globally, Tesla’s vehicle deliveries reached 935,950 units in 2021

[2nd Amendment]

EVs should come with 300 mile extension cords. I love my coyote 5.0 in my f 150. I love the roar of a V8 in the morning

[SmokingJoe]

I think you and your type want us to be like afrika.

Much rather we not be like California actually.

[SmokingJoe]

I just spent 5 weeks there. They had plumbing, showers, hot water and even had the internet. Imagine that.

Did you spend “5 weeks” om Mars too clown?