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Lisa Murkowski is losing… But with Ranked Choice voting, who knows…
Citizen's Free Press ^ | November 9, 2022 11:59 am | Posted by Kane

Posted on 11/09/2022 9:24:30 AM PST by Red Badger

Kelly Tshibaka is leading but it will take days to know the winner.

Kelly Tshibaka (R) has the most votes for Senator in Alaska, BUT she may still lose to RINO Murkowski due to the bizarre and undemocratic voting scheme they currently use there. It is a system that can be strongly manipulated. No Finals until Nov 23rd. Alaskans need to change it!

“Preliminary results in Alaska’s U.S. Senate race show... Murkowski narrowly trailing her Trump-endorsed GOP challenger, Kelly Tshibaka, but the state’s new system of ranked-choice voting could still give Murkowski the edge in the final count.”


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I’ve watched the Repukes long enough to know he will choose whomever he wants anyways and will probably get some Repuke votes. Judges can be stopped but the Repukes don’t stop them anyways. Even when the Repukes pick the judge they’ll have crazy unconstitutional rulings. The country is not 100 judges away from success.


21 posted on 11/09/2022 9:36:28 AM PST by wiseprince (Me,)
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To: wiseprince

But judges on the Supreme Court do matter. And having the Senate majority can stop them from packing the courts.


22 posted on 11/09/2022 9:37:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Another Republican running against her and the lib. Sarah and Begich splitting Republican vote. So much stupidity in this election.


23 posted on 11/09/2022 9:39:10 AM PST by Tea Drinker (Live From Sunny Tucson)
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To: Red Badger

Lisa is guaranteed the win with second place voting. The other Dem running surely will put her over the top.


24 posted on 11/09/2022 9:39:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Tea Drinker

I have read how ranked voting works and flat out don’t understand the system.

I’ve read and understood books on quantum physics. I’ve yet to read an intelligible explanation of Ranked Choice. In the end, it sounds like the election equivalent of Three Card Monte.


25 posted on 11/09/2022 9:39:58 AM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: Drew68

Her time came and went!


26 posted on 11/09/2022 9:42:07 AM PST by Reily
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To: nickcarraway

“But judges on the Supreme Court do matter.”

Clarence Thomas is 74 years old and has been hospitalized within the last year. If he dies before the next President is elected, the incoming Senate will approve or disapprove of Biden’s appointment for replacement. Biden will appoint a leftist judicial activist.

Senate control does matter.


27 posted on 11/09/2022 9:42:10 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work o)
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To: NohSpinZone
What’s going on with Palin. Is she really losing a House race that badly?

No and yes.

The Republican vote was split between Palin and Nick Begich.

With 75% of the votes reporting:

  1. The Democrat has 100,538 votes (47.1%)
  2. Sarah Palin has 56,791 votes (26.6%)
  3. Nick Begich has 51,765 votes (24.3%)
If these trends hold up, Begich will be dropped and the 2nd choice of his voters will be added to Palin and the Democrat.

This is where the rub is. Nick Begich is from a historically Democrat family, yet he ran as a Republican. The question is whether his voters will shift to Palin or will they support the Democrat? Begich insists he's a firm conservative despite his family history.

If Alaska did not have the ranked choice voting and only one Republican was on the ballot, the Republican would have won.

-PJ

28 posted on 11/09/2022 9:42:46 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Tea Drinker
I've been posting on this topic here for months and months; it is very confusing (on purpose) and people -- including Alaska voters, who approved the damn thing -- still don't get it.

Rigged Choice Voting in Alaska

As far as the current election goes, both Democrats (yes, I count Murkowski as a Democrat) will win. Tshibaka will lead on the "first ballot". Then the Democrat votes will be allocated mostly to Murkowski (for obvious reasons) once the official Decmorat on the ballot is eliminated and the wicked old witch will win again. Without Rigged Choice Voting, she would have lost. Palin will lose again too.

What the GOP needs to figure out in situations like this is STOP SPLITTING THE DAMN VOTE! I like Sarah Palin, but she never should have jumped into the House race back in the spring. Begich, despite his last name being associated with his Democrat relatives, is a perfectly fine candidate and would have been a perfectly fine Representative. Far better than what they're stuck with now.

29 posted on 11/09/2022 9:42:50 AM PST by PermaRag (We have SO many targets, and -- for now -- the means to see they get what they deserve.)
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To: Flick Lives

It was put in to protect the “Corrupt Old Boy’s\Girls Club” which I am told dominate politics and the Alaskan legislature.

It seems to work!


30 posted on 11/09/2022 9:44:04 AM PST by Reily
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To: wiseprince

there were 3 things that I thought would make this a successful election 1. Flip the House 2. Kari Lake Win and 3. Murkowski out.
¿?????
And one more for me.
Mark Kelly losing


31 posted on 11/09/2022 9:45:44 AM PST by South Dakota (Patriotism is the new terrorism )
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To: Political Junkie Too

“Nick Begich is from a historically Democrat family, yet he ran as a Republican.”

The eventual outcome has pretty much nothing to do with that factoid. It has everything to do with the fact that Begich voters resent and despise Palin, both in general and for the fact that she opportunistically jumped into the race long after Begich delcared.

And just like the Begich voters did in the special election, enough of them again will either leave their #2 choice blank or vote for someone other than Palin.

As I mentioned in an above post, the GOP needs to crack the whip and make sure they run **ONE** candidate instead of shooting themselves repeatedly in the foot by splitting the vote between multiple candidates.

This garbage affects only Alaska and Maine today, but if Democrats get their way it going to show up in a lot more states before too much longer.


32 posted on 11/09/2022 9:47:03 AM PST by PermaRag (We have SO many targets, and -- for now -- the means to see they get what they deserve.)
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To: Soul of the South

Gary. He’s one of only two conservatives on the court.


33 posted on 11/09/2022 9:49:28 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Red Badger

The GOPe shoved ranked voting through in AK specifically to save the wretched Murkowski


34 posted on 11/09/2022 9:55:43 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Drew68

Looks like they have split the anti-Murkowski vote up between Palin and Tsewy.


35 posted on 11/09/2022 9:55:54 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins (A)
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To: gibsonguy

It may save her again......................


36 posted on 11/09/2022 9:58:03 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Meaning?


37 posted on 11/09/2022 10:12:21 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Political Junkie Too

OK, thank you. I knew there was a good explanation but I don’t know anything about Alaska politics. Appreciate the thorough walkthrough.


38 posted on 11/09/2022 10:12:48 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: PermaRag
As I mentioned in an above post, the GOP needs to crack the whip and make sure they run **ONE** candidate instead of shooting themselves repeatedly in the foot by splitting the vote between multiple candidates.

This is larger than just Republicans running multiple candidates.

Democrats have a long history of supporting the Libertarian candidates in races with strong Republicans. They know the Libertarian will split the Republican vote.

The same could be said for the Green Party and the Democrats, but Republicans don't get involved with funding liberal dark-horses.

In Alaska, I think they allow anyone who finishes in the top 4 as long as they are above a minimum vote in the primary. Republicans could have encouraged only one candidate in the primary, or coerced one to drop out, but they wouldn't have been able to stop a Libertarian from getting on the ballot.

As far as detesting Palin, this is a sticky issue. Are Republicans so fickle that they would send a Democrat to the House who would support a ban on drilling in a state that pays revenue bonuses from oil production to each resident every year? Would they send a Democrat who supports hand-outs and free loans in a state known for their rugged individuality and self-reliance?

Are Alaskan Republicans that vain that they would do this to spite Palin and hurt their own personal interests, or will they hold their nose and send another reliable Republican vote to the House of Representatives?

-PJ

39 posted on 11/09/2022 10:20:55 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

The problem this time around is that Palin has a bigger base of support (cult following, if you will) than Begich. This precludes Begich from being one of the final 2. It’s an exact repeat of the special election from August.

I realize that Alaska voters — like the other RCV state, Maine — have a peculiar affinity for politicians who label themselves as Independent or some other third party; perhaps this is why they were so susceptible to the liberal sales pitch for implementing RCV in the first place. Voting against the two major parties makes them feel intellectually or morally superior (fallacies in both cases).

Even so, if the 4 candidates on the general election ballot in some race are R-D-Libertarian-Green (or Indie instead of one of the last two), in *most* cases I believe the major party candidates will still come in 1-2. We’d then have to see how the voters of the Libertarian/Independent candidate assign their #2 choices.

You may be right that it’s still a minefield for a Republican — especially a *conservative* Republican, which is exactly what RCV seeks to eradicate — but the GOP allowing 2 candidates onto the ballot is certainly not helpful, as these 2022 House elections have demonstrated.


40 posted on 11/09/2022 10:33:00 AM PST by PermaRag (We have SO many targets, and -- for now -- the means to see they get what they deserve.)
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