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Putin can call up all the troops he wants, but Russia can’t train or support them
Clinton News Network ^ | 22-SEP-2022 | Brad Lendon

Posted on 09/24/2022 7:56:10 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

Vladimir Putin can call up all the troops he wants, but Russia has no way of getting those new troops the training and weapons they need to fight in Ukraine any time soon.

With his invasion of Ukraine faltering badly, the Russian President on Wednesday announced the immediate “partial mobilization” of Russian citizens. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Russian television that the country will call up 300,000 reservists.

If they end up facing Ukrainian guns on the front lines, they are likely to become the newest casualties in the invasion Putin started more than seven months ago and that has seen the Russian military fail at almost every aspect of modern war.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: Brian Griffin

“The draftees will not be used in battle,”

They will be on the front lines in 2 weeks.


41 posted on 09/24/2022 8:42:55 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Who knows what the truth is, but these call ups are not believed to be wet behind the ear high school grads, but military veterans and reservists. And it’s rumored the secret actual number is 1 million, not the advertised 300,000.

The supposed plan is to mount a new offensive during winter when Ukraine has no energy supply. Their utilities are already being weakened now.

As far as Russia’s economy goes, financial analysts indicate the loses to their GDP due to the war are so far about equal to the drop in the US GDP, both being around 2%. However Ukraine’s GDP has ben devastated by as much as 30%, if not higher.

The only thing we know for sure is the war will continue to escalate, and without significant help from the US, Ukraine has no chance. I am opposed to both, and would like to see a settlement struck on the current battle lines, but that’s not what the elites want. They’ve said they want Putin removed which may not be possible.


42 posted on 09/24/2022 8:43:34 AM PDT by Golden Eagle ( What's in YOUR injection? )
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To: PGR88

How’s the weather in RuZZia?


43 posted on 09/24/2022 8:43:53 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Basic Training in the US is 12 weeks still, isn’t it?

I wouldn’t expect Putin to be able to get any troops deployed until January at the soonest.


44 posted on 09/24/2022 8:52:20 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: DownInFlames

I am talking Russia and Ukraine. Not USA, Europe against Russia.

This conflict has a high potential of going way off the rails.


45 posted on 09/24/2022 8:53:33 AM PDT by TreasonObserver
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To: SpeedyInTexas; Kazan; delta7; Fairhairedboy; BobL; mvonfr; BlackbirdSST; dforest; PGR88
80-100k of RuZZian casualties in 7 months of war.

80-100k of RuZZian Ukrainian casualties in 7 months of war.

The Westerners who are fighting to the last Ukrainian are hiding those numbers, and pretending that the Russians have absorbed those casualties.

THE LUHANSK AND DONETSK MILITIAS ARE FIGHTING THE UKRAINIANS IN THE DONBAS. THE "DIRTY RUZZIANS" ARE IN SUPPORT.

Therefore, your phony Western figures are just that - phony.

Bilge promoted by journalistic fabulists in the West who have moved on from lying about "the cleanest elections EVAH!!" to "mumble mumble zero Ukrainian casualties".

Shoigu said this week that there have been around 6,000 Russian Army professional soldiers KIA over the 7 months of the Special Military Operation.

The Ukies lost a third of that number KIA with their "victorious" Balakliia-Izyum offensive [into a Russian redeployment of troops].

46 posted on 09/24/2022 8:58:38 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

As opposed tot he US military academies who think military bearing and protocol is too old fashioned and not liberal enough so it isn’t taught and enforced anymore?


47 posted on 09/24/2022 8:59:08 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/09/will_ukraine_survive_intact_.html

Will Ukraine Survive Intact?

After Russia announced partial mobilization, which effectively doubled the Russian forces to be engaged in Ukraine, politicians, government officials, and analysts proclaimed that the action was a sign of Russian failure, weakness, and desperation. Be that as it may, the West once again has demonstrated aloofness from history and a refusal to face the reality that regardless of the amounts of weaponry, international sanctions, and billions in financial assistance, the West cannot defeat Russia. Hitler couldn’t do it. Embracing unrealistic expectations will inevitably lead to complete distraction and eventual dismemberment of Ukraine.

The war exposed Ukraine to two of her most critical vulnerabilities – questionable legitimacy and extreme nationalism. Legitimacy derives from acceptance and recognition. However, Ukraine’s neighbors Russia, Poland, and Romania do not accept their current borders with Ukraine.

After the First and Second World Wars, the borders of artificially created countries such as Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Ukraine were delineated to replicate the geopolitical engineering. So, when Ukraine proclaimed her independence, she did not proclaim her independence from Russia, Poland, and Romania’s territorial claims.

Indeed, the historical provenance of Ukraine is problematic. In a nutshell, before declaring independence in 1991, Ukraine had never been a unified state. What was to become Ukraine joined Russia in 1654 when Bohdan Khmelnitsky, a Hetman of the Zaporozhian Host, petitioned Russian czar Alexey to accept the Zaporozhian Host into Russia. The army and a small territory under Hetman’s control that Russians called “u kraine,” which means in Russian “at the edge;” the term originated in the twelfth century to describe lands on the border of Russia that were incorporated into Russia. The Zaporozhian Host administration was recognized as an organ of the Russian state.

After the Bolshevik revolution, Lenin in 1919 created the socialist state of Ukraine on part of the territory of the former Russian Empire. In 1922 Ukraine became Ukrainian People's Republic with the capital Kharkov within a newly created Soviet Union. The new territory included Donetsk, and Lugansk regions becoming Eastern Ukraine. In 1934 Kiev became the capital of the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic.

In 1939, as a result of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, Stalin annexed the eastern territories of Poland with the city of Lvov and incorporated them into Ukraine. In June of 1940, he annexed Northern Bukovina from Romania and merged it with Ukraine. In 1945 Hungarian Carpathian Ruthenia, nowadays Zakarpattia, was incorporated into the Soviet Union and added to Ukraine. Now these territories are known as Western Ukraine.

After the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Ukraine got its borders within which she achieved independence and millions of Russians, Poles, Hungarians and Romanians were trapped in a newly created country.

The Ukrainian problem is greatly exacerbated by the fact that unlike pluralistic societies such as the USA, Canada, Switzerland, and Russia, which are tolerant of different cultures, religions, and languages, Ukraine is not. Unsurprisingly, devotion to pluralism proved not to be her forte. Even though the Kiev regime had no historical roots in the real estate it inhabited, it imposed Ukrainian rules and the Ukrainian language on non-Ukrainian people after declaring independence. It is worth pointing out that even in the Soviet Union, where Russian was the official language, the Ukrainian language and literature were compulsorily studied by everyone in Ukraine.

As a result, pro-Russian sentiments – ranging from the recognition of the official status of the Russian language to outright secession – have always been prevalent in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Western Ukraine has always gravitated toward its Polish, Romanian, and Hungarian roots. Emphatically anti-Russian, Poland may not miss this strategic opportunity to re-acquire its land and avenge the humiliation inflicted by the Yalta Conference.

During the conference in Crimea in 1945, the leaders of the free world, Roosevelt and Churchill, legitimized the annexations by affirming Soviet ownership over the Polish and Romanian territories.

It was a cold-blooded betrayal for the Poles, who, unlike the Romanians who fought on the Germans’ side, suffered horribly under German occupation and heroically fought for independence. Roosevelt and Churchill destined the Poles to the horrors of Stalin’s mass-murdering tyranny for a half-century.

Hence, every time the Western leaders defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine, they reaffirm the immoral outcome of the Yalta conference. Western Ukraine does not belong to the Kiev regime, just as Eastern Ukraine is not Ukraine.

The West’s insistence on maintaining the status quo of the Ukrainian borders established by Lenin, Stalin and Hitler exposes the disconnect between strategic doctrine and moral principles. Indeed, Poles make no secret of their ambitions. Polish President Andrzej Duda, recently declared, “For decades, and maybe, God forbid, for centuries, there will be no more borders between our countries – Poland and Ukraine. There will be no such border!”

On May 22, Vladimir Zelensky announced that he would submit to the Rada a bill on the special legal status of Polish citizens in Ukraine. The bill grants Polish citizens unprecedented civil and political rights in Ukraine. It empowers Polish citizens with the right to be elected in Ukraine and apply for the position of judges, including constitutional judges. The agreement provides for integrating the security forces and law enforcement agencies. The Polish press calls it a "soft annexation" of Western Ukraine.

Romania is not far behind, especially in light of many inhabitants of former Northern Bukovina already carrying Romanian passports.

The territory of Ukraine is a mosaic of other people's lands. If we want to stop this insane war and ensure peace in Europe, instead of calling Russia’s sponsored referendum in Eastern Ukraine a sham, we should conduct an honest referendum in all the disputed territories under the auspices of the UN and let the people decide what government they want.

Woodrow Wilson, the architect of the principle of self-determination, would enthusiastically endorse the populaces’ desire, as he wrote: “National aspirations must be respected: people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent.”

48 posted on 09/24/2022 8:59:11 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: SpeedyInTexas

“Dirty Filthy RuZZian Nazi.”

Well, you’re a dirty filthy Ukrainian Nazi.


49 posted on 09/24/2022 8:59:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: Skywise
I wouldn’t expect Putin to be able to get any troops deployed until January at the soonest.

These are trained reservists.

They'll need a week or two of refresher training for the tasks that they will be handling.

I don't have TeeVee.

What kind of slop are the newsliars putting out there about this?

50 posted on 09/24/2022 9:00:37 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: CodeToad

“NazisInTexas”


51 posted on 09/24/2022 9:00:56 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

well, there goes all the antifreeze in the trucks and tracks...


52 posted on 09/24/2022 9:01:10 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: PGR88

Those reservists will never see the battlefield. they are replacing regular Russian military headed to the front lines.

in one month.....when the cold hits, Volensky forces will retreat
just like the Nazis did, just like Napoleon did.

Most Ukrainian people have fled to other counties including Russia........


53 posted on 09/24/2022 9:01:44 AM PDT by blackberry1
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To: kiryandil

I doubt the liberal is in Texas. Far too many liberals have romantic notions of themselves as He-Men if they lived in Texas. Texas is loaded with them. I personally know several FReepers who use ‘Texas’ in their screen names that do not live in Texas.


54 posted on 09/24/2022 9:02:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: Leaning Right
In WW2, the Soviets suffered horrific levels of casualties, in the millions, before they trialed and errored their way to becoming a competent military force. And that was with an entire nation on full war footing to produce the relatively simple weapons and machines necessary to equip them.

Russia is

55 posted on 09/24/2022 9:02:35 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: jz638

If they have more men than the Ukrainians can put bullets into


How many can one cluster munition, set to low air burst, take out at one go?


56 posted on 09/24/2022 9:03:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Russia plays better at home than on the road.


57 posted on 09/24/2022 9:03:42 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CodeToad
As opposed tot he US military academies who think military bearing and protocol is too old fashioned and not liberal enough so it isn’t taught and enforced anymore?

The American military is overrun with socialists and Commies in key positions, and the ladder-climbing Perfumed Princes jostle each other in their eagerness to orally clean the posteriors of the Halfrican and his ilk.

I feel bad for our patriotic soldiers who didn't sign up for these types of "leaders".

58 posted on 09/24/2022 9:03:59 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: mvonfr

Russia has substantial forces near Ukrainian border that were being reorganized and retrained all along. These forces can be used at any moment and the newly mobilized can replace them as the reserve.

Those forces are the torn up, demoralized remains of units previously destroyed. Most consolidated units are a half or less of their original size; there is no unit cohesion - its a mix and match situation.


59 posted on 09/24/2022 9:08:31 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: CodeToad

RuZZians are dying by the thousands every month.

Celebrate. Sing and Dance.


60 posted on 09/24/2022 9:09:49 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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