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The Coming War Over Taiwan
WSJ ^ | 8.4.22 | Hal Brands and Michael Beckley

Posted on 08/04/2022 3:33:10 PM PDT by Dr. Marten

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To: pierrem15

I don’t think China is even considered cheap anymore. When I go to a typical retail store in the U.S. I’m seeing more and more things from Vietnam, Malaysia and even the former Yugoslav republics.


21 posted on 08/04/2022 3:57:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: All

Xi wants to have his place in history right next to Mao...the best way to do that is to do something Mao didn’t do...take Taiwan. But it’s an all in poker move...if he loses he’s a dead man. Will he take the gamble? If he wants to, now is the time.


22 posted on 08/04/2022 3:58:16 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: Rurudyne

“Nixon was trying to be cleaver. But what he did was foolish. No matter what he intended he threw them a livesaver. He should have let the ChiComs drown too under the weight of socialism.”

But you have to remember, that in 1972 China and Russia — though both communist countries — were not on the best of terms. I think that is what Nixon was trying to take advantage of, and even exploit.


23 posted on 08/04/2022 3:58:31 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: pierrem15

I see a lot of the stuff in auto components that went to China (before that it was US, then Mexico and Korea) going to India, Indonesia, and Vietnam.

I think China has moved up the wage/cost scale and is facing the same issue that the US and Mexico did.


24 posted on 08/04/2022 3:58:31 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Just like the auto parts mfg that progressed

US >> Mexico & Korea >> China >> Indonesia, India, Vietnam


25 posted on 08/04/2022 4:00:21 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: ought-six

Yes, at the time it did. Once the USSR fell, it was time to switch off. Instead, we kept kicking Russia like a beaten dog, cozied up to China, continued to pour investment into China, granted MFN, allowed them to snag our tech, became dependent on them for essential goods including vital medical supplies, built up their middle class at the expense of our own, etc., etc.


26 posted on 08/04/2022 4:00:56 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“When I go to a typical retail store in the U.S. I’m seeing more and more things from Vietnam, Malaysia and even the former Yugoslav republics.”

And they are far better products than the cheap crap we get from China.


27 posted on 08/04/2022 4:01:04 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Dr. Marten

The Butchers of Beijing know that from now on when a Rat Party hack is living in the White House the US Armed Forces’ main focus will what pronouns to use. What a perfect opportunity to get a little lebensraum.


28 posted on 08/04/2022 4:01:12 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: Dr. Marten

China is violating Taiwan’s airspace, firing missiles over their mainland, then landing in the ocean. Just waiting for them to fire back. Much like Hitler’s fake provocation for invading Poland. The ‘Sleepy Joe window’ is closing soon. Not looking good.


29 posted on 08/04/2022 4:02:10 PM PDT by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: Rurudyne

The only product DC managed to ban from China was Aks, pistols and ammo.

Kinda interesting.


30 posted on 08/04/2022 4:02:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DHerion

Xi is up for re-election in October so he probably won’t invade until after that. Winnie the Pooh has stated that he wants Taiwan while he is still in office. If he can do it by political or economic means that would be better for him.

However, he also has a lot of domestic issues he needs to deal with first. But a quick victory would make people temporarily forget their own problems.


31 posted on 08/04/2022 4:03:49 PM PDT by teacherwoes (I am Philip Nolan )
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To: Dr. Marten

I have a friend/long-term business associate in Taiwan. His son just finished his mandatory, post-university 4-month military service. He did not fire a rifle one time during that period.

Its representative of how un-serious Taiwan is about their own defense.


32 posted on 08/04/2022 4:04:12 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Dr. Marten

I see the warmongers at the WSJ are at it again.


33 posted on 08/04/2022 4:04:17 PM PDT by Bullish (Rot'sa Ruck America. )
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To: Dr. Marten

yet, that silly DOOMSDAY CLOCK hasn’t moved one second even with Russia and China advancing the prospect of offensive nuclear exchange


34 posted on 08/04/2022 4:06:15 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Dr. Marten
The U.S. is running out of time to prevent a cataclysmic war in the Western Pacific.

The U.S. is getting ready to start a cataclysmic war in the Western Pacific to distract from its failing war in the Ukraine.

fixed it

35 posted on 08/04/2022 4:06:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: teacherwoes

“Xi is up for re-election in October so he probably won’t invade until after that.”


Are chi-com elections free and fair, or are they like US elections?


36 posted on 08/04/2022 4:07:04 PM PDT by Ken H (Trump /DeSantis)
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To: Dr. Marten

The war for Taiwan is already over. Nanzi made sure China wins.


37 posted on 08/04/2022 4:07:23 PM PDT by dforest
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To: ought-six

It really comes down to management.
Good and bad products can be made anywhere.


38 posted on 08/04/2022 4:07:33 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: ought-six

Malaysia is a considerably richer country than China per capita (by 40% or so, quite a lot, they are in the same ballpark as Greece), and its people have a much higher standard of living. If they undercut China as a manufacturer its not because their labor costs are lower.


39 posted on 08/04/2022 4:08:41 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: CatHerd

I agree that we never should have granted China MFN status; that was one of GWB’s screw-ups; but he thought he’d need China for the War on Terror.

Russia was not granted MFN then because Russia was still a basket case, and had been engaged in wars during the 1990s that were seen as unwarranted.

Interntional politics is a dirty business, and a dirty game. Sometimes we get in bed with an unwashed whore to attack or restrain a diseased one.


40 posted on 08/04/2022 4:09:28 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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