Posted on 05/21/2022 9:37:11 AM PDT by Kazan
The surrender of the last of the militant Azov “soldiers” who were hiding in the bowels of the Avostal Steel plant in Mariupol is the final curtain for NATO’s fantasy that Ukraine would beat the Russians.
Almost 2,500 of the Azov battalion surrendered to the Russians and are now incarcerated in POW camps in Russia.
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Zelensky and his gang of thieves pushed the meme that Russia was attacking ruthlessly the civilian population of Mariupol. But that is another big lie. The Azov thugs placed their weapons and personnel in civilian neighborhoods and refused to let the civilians flee to safety. Russia could have flattened the city, turning it into a smoldering pile of rubble. They did not do that because they wanted to minimized civilian losses.
But the Azov folks discovered to their chagrin that the human shield tactic did not work. They were pushed back into the steel plant and bombed into submission. What will happen to them? They will be interrogated. Some will be given the opportunity to flip and become agents of Russian intelligence. The Azov leaders and their followers who committed atrocities in the Donbass over the last 8 years will get the Hans Frank treatment.
Hans Frank was the Gauleiter of Poland–i.e., the head of the General Government in Nazi-occupied Poland during the Second World War. The Nazi extermination camps–Auschwitz/Birkenau, Belzac, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka–were under his control. He was captured by the Americans, tried and executed. He was one Nazi the United States could not forgive.
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One more video you should view. It shows the strikes of the GRAD, a BM-21 multiple-launch rocket system that fires 122 mm (4.80 in) artillery rockets, on Ukrainian positions in the Donbass.
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Human beings, no matter how resilient, eventually break if they are subjected to sustained bombardments. The blast waves and explosions rattle the brains, shake the bones and destroy the ear drums. Troops either die or surrender if they cannot retreat. The reports from the front indicate the avenues of retreat are shrinking rapidly.
This reinforces my beliefs and contradicts the leftist narrative supported by FReeper CINOs.
So it’s gotta be Russian propaganda, right?
/s
"In practical terms, the end of the siege at Azovstal does not alter the trajectory of the war very much," Robert Person, an associate professor of international relations at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, told RFE/RL.
"In controlling the rest of Mariupol, which Russia has done for several weeks now, the Kremlin already had its land bridge to Crimea. Azovstal doesn’t really tip the balance there," said Person, who does not speak for the U.S. Defense Department.
The fighters at Azovstal tied down thousands of Russian troops for weeks, giving Ukraine's military time to fight and repel Russian forces in other arenas of the war such as the areas around Kyiv, the capital, and Kharkiv, the eastern city that is the country's second-largest.
"Although [Russian President Vladimir] Putin will squeeze maximum domestic propaganda value out of capture of Mariupol, it is a Pyrrhic victory that comes at enormous cost. The protracted fight for the city has drained Russia's military of significant manpower, weapons, and equipment," Person said.
"Putin will be able to capitalize on this success until Russian forces face their next major setback, after which Azovstal will be a distant memory for most Russians," he said. "But for Ukrainians, the memory of the siege of Mariupol will serve as a rallying cry for generations to come."
FTA: “Russia could have flattened the city, turning it into a smoldering pile of rubble. They did not do that because they wanted to minimized civilian losses.”
I guess the author never looked at any of the scores of before-and-after photos that have been published. The city is pretty much “a smoldering pile of rubble,” and is for all intents and purposes uninhabitable, unless one considers a primitive and basic survival mode inhabitable. Dresden in March, 1945 was “inhabitable,” too, after a fashion.
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as daily mail would say:
Now that Z has successfully negotiated an unconditional surrender(evacuation-LOL), we can say that the attack on Mariupol has failed, in the coming weeks we’ll see Russians fleeing en masse while falsely claiming to be relocating.
.. Enjoy your victory
A while back Russia learned that radical and crappy socialism along with communism has no future as it does not work and has been trying to adopt a more of the middle of the road approach much to the dismay of the western world, especially the US who has a bunch of war mongering crooked idiots within their ranks. So it does not come as a surprise when the US and its allies, who are encouraged to fall in line do everything possible to picture Russia as bad and evil. Needless to say I don’t think Russia is composed of angels, but neither is the US.
‘This reinforces my beliefs and contradicts the leftist narrative supported by FReeper CINOs.”
Will be so great when Langley sends these scumbags elsewhere.
Here’s the irony (using leftist logic):
If it wasn’t communism which was evil, but Russian people in general (as prognosticated by the resident marxist in chief, 0bama, his puppet & adherents, e.g., “Russian disinformation” since they can’t seem to select a government which aligns with the globalists.../s), then socialism/communism/marxism (pick a label) as ideologies are not the problem here in the US, but the people (the “Disinformation Governance Board” was massively ironic):
Progressives, leftists, DEMOCRATS, etc., i.e., enemies of the Constitution, i.e., domestic enemies, must die.
I would argue that includes RINOs & CINOs as well.
It’s academic. Borrowing a line from an old movie, it’s also “a moral imperative.”
first, what is a CINO? I do not listen to political radio, and do not have cable TV.
Second, the Ukraine, with all that uncalled for American tax money, and still, it seems, getting their country destroyed.
this whole thing has played out before, pre-soviet time.
it is, was, and will always be a boondoggle, and not worth American involvement, unless, the stories of joe biden, his son, and Americam military research mean something.
this whole thing is not worth my attention.
One term I’ve seen a few times is Pooty Pal.
We have been shown wide angle aerial photos of vast areas of Mariupol which were totally devastated. Russian troops did not have to do that if there were just pockets of “Nazi” resistance in neighborhoods. I think the total devastation of the entire city speaks to Putin’s goal of the underground ressources in Ukraine. Development on the surface was not important and Ukraine lives even less so. At first he seemed to want to spare the useful steel plant, but gave up when he saw the determined resistance, so ruin to that too.
Putin has left the Ukrainians with no choice but to continue fighting. A ceasefire would give all that wealthy/productive territory to Russia, making them that much stronger when they inevitably return to Ukraine in a few years and finish the job.
We have been shown wide angle aerial photos of vast areas of Mariupol which were totally devastated. Russian troops did not have to do that
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You are making too much of the flattening of Mariupol’ - its just the Orc way of war - they always shell indiscriminately - especially civilians.
There are dozens of towns and villages that only have the outline of the buildings remaining: it something is two feet high, shell it until its is one foot high, then shell that until the rubble bounces at least once. It costs them nothing to do this outside of transportation costs.
They have enough shells to fight WWII all over again with lots remaining to shell all other countries; they have millions on millions of shells stockpiled because they once planned to take over the world.
There are other reasons besides the so called underground resources - which are very limited and not worth going to war for in the first place:
Most importantly is to secure the plains leading directly into Russia to the Urals - this is an indefensible invasion route.
Second is to secure the fresh water supply to northern Crimea, without which the sandy soil becomes salty and uninhabitable - everything in the Crimea depends on this source of fresh water. When Russia lost the Crimea, Ukraine shut this water supply off, rendering the soil in Crimea salty again.
Literally thousands of Ukrainians have stopped fighting and surrendered because Russia continues to give them the choice to do so.
If anyone is forcing Ukraine to continue its the Zelenski regime in Kiev.
Russian troops didn't do all that...there are plenty of first hand accounts and video evidence of wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure by the retreating Ukrainian forces. There is also plenty of evidence the Ukrainian "heroes" purposely placed heavy equipment and took up firing positions in residential areas, drawing the inevitable response.
I think the total devastation of the entire city speaks to Putin’s goal of the underground resources in Ukraine.
Mariupol is NOT totally destroyed... in fact electric and water services have already been restored in parts of the city. A rough estimate is only 50% of the buildings are beyond repair. This will become a priority once Ukraine has been formally partitioned...😨
You can tell it is Russian propaganda just by comparing what it says to known facts.
You can also use some common sense to realize that what the author is saying doesn't match up with reality.
How would the Azov Brigade members be forcing civilians to do anything when they were supposedly surrounded by the Russian military in a steel mill? Don't suspend your common sense just because some Russian propaganda outlet wants you to.
That's a great example of Russian propaganda that requires you to suspend any logical thinking to believe. How did "retreating" Ukrainian forces destroy anything since they were supposedly surrounded and holed up in the Azovstal steel works? Are you saying the Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol did not get surrounded and then surrender?
How exactly did the Ukrainian soldiers who were surrounded inside the steel works go out and launch rockets and artillery at the apartment buildings to destroy them?
The Russian propaganda just falls apart as soon as you think about it for five seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35zWXuo1-eo
Interesting Duran video. NYT’s editorial staff is now suggesting that Biden and Zelensky give careful consideration to negotiating an agreement that cedes territory to Russia. It also states that the U.S. cannot continue to supply money and weapons.
I assume the very pronounced change of heart is likely based on concerns that the fact Ukraine is losing will make the mid-terms even harder for the Dems.
I don’t know how Biden and Zelensky will feel; but it appears the NYT is surrendering.
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