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US Navy scraps NINE anti-submarine warships that cost $3.2 billion to make - some under three years old
FOR DAILYMAIL.COM ^ | 13 May 2022 | ADAM SOLOMONS

Posted on 05/13/2022 8:03:41 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: hanamizu
Have there been any sightings of the Admiral Makarov since the reports that she was on fire?

There is a guy on Twitter, HI Sutton Covert Shores

He says the Makarov is ok as of a few days ago

61 posted on 05/13/2022 8:49:44 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Gen.Blather

Every time I read about the Littorals, they made me think of the Chevy Vega. Guess I was right. They are a perfect example of how out of control Flag Officers are.


62 posted on 05/13/2022 8:54:27 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for me)
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To: dennisw

Reading this I had a wave of nauseousness come over me realizing the gross incompetence of our modern day military leaders.What is going on????


63 posted on 05/13/2022 8:55:20 AM PDT by elpadre (W)
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To: hanamizu
An article from Forbes.

A Journalist Just Spotted Russia’s ‘Admiral Makarov’ Frigate, Intact And At Sea

* If Forbes says you have an ad blocker , if you select the reader view on your browser you can read the article.

64 posted on 05/13/2022 8:58:29 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: OldGoatCPO

“Every time I read about the Littorals, they made me think of the Chevy Vega”

That’s the perfect analogy. A car designed by men who were not designers and then handed off to someone to execute who had not only no sense of ownership, but distain for the design. It is the only car in Detroit’s history that broke in half on the test track. Don’t tell me the people who assembled it didn’t know that would happen. Malicious obedience if there ever was.

Sub Brief (The cost and why they’re being mothballed.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhRvyKqJ0I&t=761s


65 posted on 05/13/2022 8:59:16 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud. Sorry.)
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To: Red Badger
"The whole surface Navy is obsolete................."

Only if you assume that every claim by the Russians & Chinese is truthful, and that we have nothing in the works to counter them.
The US navy is heading towards smaller, more numerous "distributed" weapons platforms, such as the new Constellation class frigates, DDX destroyers and unmanned escorts.

66 posted on 05/13/2022 9:01:02 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: DoodleDawg
"Their hulls crack and their engines have serious design flaws that cause frequent breakdowns. Why would the Coast Guard want them?"

Exactly right.

67 posted on 05/13/2022 9:03:18 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: dennisw

“Scrappings will save $391 million as US Navy plans new shipbuilding program...”

Not saving the Navy anything; just more of our hard-earned tax money they won’t freely spend. Maybe.


68 posted on 05/13/2022 9:06:16 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: PGR88

They’ll make good reefs, after they break down in the Black Sea.


69 posted on 05/13/2022 9:07:57 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Red Badger

I’m wondering what “breaks” on them.


70 posted on 05/13/2022 9:08:01 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: dennisw
The US Navy will scrap nine warships worth $3.2 billion - despite some being just three years old - because their technology is already obsolete.

Obsolete? How about "it never worked to Navy specifications?"

71 posted on 05/13/2022 9:08:49 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: allendale

Within five years the Navy will come to the painful realization that their entire surface combatant fleet is obsolete


And the US Army will make a similarly painful realization about the host of soft squishy things, prone to failure around sharp pointy objects, and declare them obsolete also.


72 posted on 05/13/2022 9:09:34 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Grampa Dave
"Are all surface ships for any navy just floating targets and deadly for the sailors on those ships?"

That statement has been true of every warship ever built at any time in history.

What matters is, whose tech is little better plus whose training, motivation & leadership is A LOT better.

73 posted on 05/13/2022 9:10:06 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: alternatives?

They’d make good reefs for any body of water...


74 posted on 05/13/2022 9:10:23 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: alternatives?

Have they tried repurposing them?


The plant watering bill would have been enormous.


75 posted on 05/13/2022 9:12:10 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Mouton
Who pushed these programs? Find them. Disappear them.

Program lead times are so long that the officers that initiated and acted as program managers are often retired before the systems get fielded. They're often working with some of the same companies who built the white elephants.

76 posted on 05/13/2022 9:13:14 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Seruzawa

Yep as soon as they get modern chips to make the electronics work ...


77 posted on 05/13/2022 9:14:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Yo-Yo

The coasties couldn’t afford to operate them. The transmissions that integrate the cruising diesels with the high-speed gas turbines, basically don’t work. To fix them, the Navy would have to cut the hulls open. Cheaper to build new ships with the improved transmissions.


78 posted on 05/13/2022 9:15:40 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Yo-Yo; DoodleDawg
"The Coast Guard doesn't need the high dash speed from the Gas Generator powerplant, and could remove them entirely, solving the combining gearbox issue."

And that's because drug-runner boats are well known for being especially slow & cumbersome -- easy to catch, right?

And besides, who wants to stop drug runners anyway?

</sarcasm>

79 posted on 05/13/2022 9:18:10 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: dennisw

Why waste the. Virtue signal and send them off to Ukraine!


80 posted on 05/13/2022 9:19:18 AM PDT by Kazan
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