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To: V_TWIN

I will argue that electric limited use postal vehicles are in fact a valid use of the technology. Postal delivery vehicles all come home at night for recharging. In effect they are like electric forklifts in use on loading docks everywhere.

I oppose a lawsuit forcing the issue before it’s time however


8 posted on 04/28/2022 7:45:29 AM PDT by bert ( (KW?E. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: bert

I’m not in favor of any technology that may spontaneously combust at any moment for no apparent reason.

Not to mention it’s very difficult if not almost impossible to extinguish.


22 posted on 04/28/2022 7:58:55 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: bert
I will argue that electric limited use postal vehicles are in fact a valid use of the technology.

I don't support the USPS purchase of special "long-life vehicles", but I really don't like Biden trying to issue executive orders making them go electric.

The main reason I don't care for the LLV purchase is because the USPS is buying on the assumption that need for such vehicles will remain high for the next 30 years . . . a bad bet.

While electric vehicles might work fine for local deliveries, I cannot imagine a moderate sized post office with 20 of those vehicles having enough electricity to charge overnight. When UPS does this, they do the cost analysis and get the charging stations in place first.

I am disappointed that cng (compressed natural gas vehicles) stopped getting love. The U.S. has LOTS of natural gas, it is often cheaper, refills almost as fast as gasoline/diesel, works on modified gasoline engines, and it burns cleaner than petrol, if that is a goal. UPS made that decision without a law (though who knows what tax incentives and credits are involved?).

USPS is in a bind. They are expected to "operate like a business" and not lose money, but their business decisions are often dictated from politicians, an impossible situation.
23 posted on 04/28/2022 7:59:08 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (“...we would live very well without Facebook."-B.LeMaire)
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To: bert

I agree but someone would have to come up a new vehicle design because I doubt any existing make/model would be up to par for simplicity, space and longevity. Longevity is a big deal with USPS. Those ugly little vans are called LLVs or Long Life Vehicles and most have been on the road for almost 30 years. The chassis was based on a 1982 S10 Blazer.

How many battery replacements would that be for an EV and what would the cost be?

What would the cost be for charging stations?

Some facilities would need electric service upgrade. They might have a 200 amp service to the building that would need to be upped to 3-400 amps. New load center, new circuits run for the charging stations.

How well would they work in zero degree temps?

How much would it cost to retrain USPS mechanics?


26 posted on 04/28/2022 8:01:45 AM PDT by Pollard (Who stole my tagline?)
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To: bert
I will argue that electric limited use postal vehicles are in fact a valid use of the technology.

In addition to higher operating costs, there will be the expense of adding thousands upon thousands of chargers at Post Offices across the country. Not to mention replacing batteries every few years at thousands a pop.

Then there is the fact that many - if not most - delivery routes exceed the average range of electric vehicles.

This is just politics infringing on the operation of a government agency, much as the military is being forced to go “green”.

27 posted on 04/28/2022 8:02:11 AM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas)
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To: bert

Agree, perfect use for electric vehicles. Use all day , plug to charge each night. Ill bet they would save a ton on maintenance alone.


38 posted on 04/28/2022 8:41:24 AM PDT by refermech
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To: bert
I will argue that electric limited use postal vehicles are in fact a valid use of the technology. Postal delivery vehicles all come home at night for recharging. In effect they are like electric forklifts in use on loading docks everywhere.

Perhaps, for vehicles with very short routes. There probably are some places where coal-powered vehicles could be used. For the majority of routes though, I seriously doubt they have the range., given the start/stop nature of postal routes.You might be able to do it with diesel-electrics, which is proven tech, but leftists hate diesel even more than gasoline.

44 posted on 04/28/2022 11:15:24 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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