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Zelenskyy warns of war in Donbas like 'the world has not seen in hundreds of years' as Russia masses troops for a new offensive on the eastern front
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | April 9th, 2022 | Joshua Zitser

Posted on 04/09/2022 11:18:23 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: FreshPrince

No soy for me, thank you.


61 posted on 04/09/2022 12:36:04 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Mariner

One has nothing to do with the other Putin Puffer. Not even a good try.


62 posted on 04/09/2022 12:36:13 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Mariner
Renfrew:

You would have advised Madison to surrender and hand the nation back to the British?”

You:

No, I am an American with an existential interest in that question.

Likewise Ukraine can do whatever they please until/unless some other force determines their future.

Now me:

So we were justified to fight for independence and repel the brits during both revolutionary war and in 1812, with the help of allies in both cases, because you are American with an existential interest.

But somehow it’s ok that the Ukrainians are invaded because a larger force will determine their future.

I wish you could hear yourself.

63 posted on 04/09/2022 12:41:11 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Kevmo
Good post.

Apparently, no one wants to remember the Budapest Memorandum.

64 posted on 04/09/2022 12:47:16 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: rrrod

“One has nothing to do with the other Putin Puffer.”

You are absolutely OBSESSED with the image of somebody giving fellatio to Putin.

Are you a homosexual?

You sound like one.

And since you drew a line saying what the US did in Iraq is nothing like what Russia is doing in Ukraine, I’ll ask:

What is different?

Or is that too grounded in reality for a homosexual focused on fellatio with Putin?


65 posted on 04/09/2022 12:52:07 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I see the Neo-Cons are in full force today. Apparently, there is no end to the wars. A few notes ...

Maybe Zelensky should have listened to Trump when he had the chance. Now he is beholden to Biden.

Maybe the Germans should have listened to Trump when they had the chance. Now they're beholden to Russia.

We already provided their best aid possible in the former president. Don't come around now looking for cheerleaders for this quagmire that doesn't involve our national interests whatsoever.
66 posted on 04/09/2022 12:52:20 PM PDT by Neo_objectivist
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To: All

Not my problem


67 posted on 04/09/2022 12:54:39 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: Mariner

68 posted on 04/09/2022 12:57:18 PM PDT by McGruff (A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes)
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To: FLT-bird
The bulk of Ukraine’s best most professional forces are trapped in the Donbas where they had been massing for an attack prior to the Russian invasion.

So you're saying that all of those Russian tank convoys, other armored vehicles, helicopters, etc. that have been destroyed elsewhere (i.e., outside of Donbas) were obliterated by the "second-stringers?!"

In that case, all I can say is: "Go, Team Ukraine!"

Regards,

69 posted on 04/09/2022 1:02:01 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Mariner

Drama Queen.


70 posted on 04/09/2022 1:09:22 PM PDT by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Magnum44

” So we were justified to fight for independence and repel the brits during both revolutionary war and in 1812, with the help of allies in both cases, because you are American with an existential interest.

But somehow it’s ok that the Ukrainians are invaded because a larger force will determine their future. “

You’re trying to assign meaning to words that is not present.

I would never use words that ascribe morality to international affairs.

Every country will behave commensurate with their power.

“Justified” and “OK with” do not apply.


71 posted on 04/09/2022 1:10:31 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Why would any side tell the world about its casualties when it doesn’t have to? We admitted the cost of 3 days at Tarawa and it could have cost Nimitz, Turner and Gen Smith their jobs as MacArthur and his supporters highlighted the casualties as evidence of CINCPAC’s incompetence. The casualtied horrified much of the country.


72 posted on 04/09/2022 1:13:37 PM PDT by xkaydet65 ( )
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To: Mariner

“It’s a shame they have opted to fight to the last man, woman, child and dog.”

Sometimes fighting for ones hearth and home and family, and all he or she holds near and dear, requires giving “the last, full measure of devotion.”


73 posted on 04/09/2022 1:14:21 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: marcusmaximus

Looks like the guy on the left pooped his drawers, which is really not all that unusual at death.


74 posted on 04/09/2022 1:16:15 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Mariner

They were your words. You seem to be assigning yourself as a free American some superiority over the free Ukrainian. Maybe youre just not communicating your thoughts well here so feel free to explain further. But by my upbringing, ALL men are created equal. Therefore the rights we hold as given by God here in what we still (barely) call the land of the free, are also rights of other people’s in other nations.

I think you are splitting hairs when you say would ‘not ascribe morality to international affairs’.

This is one of those subjects that has arguments both ways, so the right answer will always be debatable. As a profitable blessed Christian nation (not so much these days), do we owe service to God and fellow man by stepping outside our own borders to provide aid when needed (including military for defense) to peoples in need? Or do we only look out for our own. I personally think that we are supposed to serve, though our service is very often taken advantage of. Nevertheless, and independent of what we decide to do, what God wants us to do is clearly spelled out. He does not want us to ignore evil.


75 posted on 04/09/2022 1:24:12 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Mariner

You are exposed.


76 posted on 04/09/2022 1:27:44 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Mariner

“Ukraine has a solid 30 years of being a country. Nearly 32 yrs total! That builds a lot of nationalism. They’re losing their very identity!”

You didn’t need the sarcasm tag because everyone knows your comment was just dripping with it.

Have you ever heard of a little nation called Israel? Became an independent country in 1948, and was immediately attacked; but won. A mere 19 years later it was engaged in another existential war; and won. Just six years later (or 25 years after it became an independent nation) it again fought an existential war; and won.


77 posted on 04/09/2022 1:28:15 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Magnum44

“They were your words. You seem to be assigning yourself as a free American some superiority over the free Ukrainian.”

Not at all.

Ukrainians are free to fight to the last man, woman, child and dog if they wish. I’m not judging them either way.

I know if I were an American in 1812, that’s what I would do.

I don’t care a whit what Ukrainians do.

But I would not use the American war of 1812 as an example of what Ukraine is doing. I don’t believe it to be a good analogy and I would advise the neocon think tank to toss that one.


78 posted on 04/09/2022 1:29:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: rrrod

“You are exposed.”

If you think I’m hiding something you’d be stupid.


79 posted on 04/09/2022 1:32:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ought-six

Good for Israel.

There is no country like them.


80 posted on 04/09/2022 1:33:19 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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