Posted on 04/02/2022 7:28:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Racial purity and Lebensraum. Azov Nazis believe that Ukrainians are true Slavs and Russians are mixed race mongrels. They also believe that the Donbas should be emptied of ethnic Russians and given to Ukrainians.
Zelenski, a non-observant Jew, has no authority over Azov. Indeed, the biggest impediment to surrendering the Donbas to Russia is that Azov Nazis will not allow him do this.
Azov is backed by wealthy Ukrainian oligarchs. They dictate terms to Zelenski, not the other way around.
“Because Taiwan never did declare independence from China whereas Ukraine declared independence in 1991 and the Russians even agreed to the borders in 1994.”
Why would it? The Chinese nationalists were the legitimate Chinese government up until 1949 when the Chinese communists drove them from the mainland to Taiwan (fka Formosa), a Chinese island just east of the mainland. The Chinese nationalists have a legitimate claim to being the legitimate government of all of China. The problem is, their much larger and much more powerful adversary, the ChiComs, are making the same claim. The problem arose — at least internationally — when the wholly inept and befuddled Jimmy Carter recognized the PRC (the People’s Republic of China; or, simply, Communist China) in January, 1979.
1. Where was Ukraine in 1988?
***The same place it is NOW. Duhh. The thing to look at is that a year later, the Berlin Wall fell and communism disintegrated ~1990 and Ukraine declared independence in 1994 and Russia signed the Budapest Agreement assuring their borders at the time.
2. Why do you trust the global depopulationist oligarchy backing Ukraine?
***I don’t trust them any more than I trust YOU. Do YOU acknowledge that Russia simply INVADED Ukraine a few weeks ago?
These are the same people behind the global biological warfare attack and economic destruction of the plandemic.
***In order to accept your side of the argument, people need to sign up to all kinds of conspiracy theories. Check.
These are the same people behind the Great Reset plan to starve 90% of the world’s population
***All kinds of conspiracy theories again. Check.
while they live comfortably in their well-stocked New Zealand escape compounds waiting for the “useless eaters” to be dead.
***Conspiracy theories. Check.
These are the same people
***More conspiracy theories. Check.
flooding our country with third-world primitive “migrants”
***Dude. There are plenty of republicans who enjoy those low-wage thirdworlders coming over here, even some still operating right on Free Republic. In 2007, JimRob was having trouble seeing the problem with it. Today it is the biggest political problem on our horizon. Is JimRob part of your giant set of conspiracy theories?
who are going to be roaming the countryside like a swarm of locusts when the supply chain sputters to a halt
***Now it’s just word salad on top of those conspiracy theories.
and the grocery store shelves are empty in the very not-too-distant future.
***Word salad with predictions of gloom. Check.
I know one thing for certain:
***Then you know NOTHING.
if you support these people, you deserve everything they have planned for you, and you are going to get it.
***Gloom, doom, word salad, conspiracy theories. Check, check, check, and check.
Lara Logan on Ukraine Misinformation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3m5GAA9mGI
Don’t be so sure
Kapos were integral to the German camps system
Stalin killed many Jews from Bolshevik ranks where they had been plentiful when he purged the Trotskyites
Yet when Stalin died soviet Jews again ascended to positions of bureaucratic power as apparatchiks in the Soviet system ....which laid the groundwork for a number of them to assume oligarchic status when Yeltsin pushed for privatizing Russian resource entities and industries
Putin then purged that group mostly. And made his oligarchs more diverse....and beholden to him
The opposite of Zelensky who has masters
and your country faces an existential threat,
***Yup. When we were in our existential war, we developed nukes. So who are we to scold the Ukes for building nukes in their existential war? Especially when we were the ones who are betraying them.
It does point to the question of whether Ukraine should sign off on a peace deal wherein they relinquish borders, oil, natural gas, resources, land and sovereignty over about a third of their country to the invader. Does that mean they are no longer in an existential war? Because if they finish their nuke program, blow up a Ruke city with a nuke and reclaim that land, they will be seen as the invaders. But if they refuse to sign, saying that the Rukes already signed the Budapest Agreement to their borders, then they are still in an existential war with the aim towards building their own nukes.
1. Which country was Ukraine a member of in 1988?
***They were a vassal state of Russia. Occupied. Bullied. They broke free and declared independence in 1991, even the russies signed an agreement to their borders in 1994. What the hell is your point?
2. Who was behind the 2014 proxy coup
***There was no proxy coup. Bullshiite. Start from there. Establish facts that both sides agree on.
in Ukraine that deposed a democratically elected President? Were you protesting then?
***Never heard of it. Did the Russians invade in 2014? Yup. Were you kissin’ pootypoot backside then?
3. Why do you trust the global depopulationist oligarchy backing Ukraine?
***I answered this bullshiite question upthread.
These are the same people behind the global biological warfare attack and economic destruction of the plandemic.
***Blah blah blah. Asked & answered upthread.
These are the same people behind the Great Reset plan to starve 90% of the world’s population while they live comfortably in their well-stocked New Zealand escape compounds waiting for the “useless eaters” to be dead.
***Conspiracy theories. Check. Do ya remember that far upthread?
These are the same people flooding our country with third-world primitive “migrants” who are going to be roaming the countryside like a swarm of locusts when the supply chain sputters to a halt and the grocery store shelves are empty in the very not-too-distant future.
***Conspiracy theories, word salad, gloom & doom: check, check check.
I know one thing for certain: if you support these people, you deserve everything they have planned for you, and you are going to get it.
***Bullshiitisms. Check.
Is there an accepted place where both sides acknowledge the numbers? How about the democide page?
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM#:~:text=Also%2C%20this%20democide%20murdered%206,dead%20spread%20over%20a%20century.
The weird thing is how short the Uke and Ruke memory is on the holodomor. It is very similar to the battered woman’s syndrome. Ukraine is Russia’s battered woman.
The Donbas region is separatist and wishes to break away from Ukraine and merge with Russia.
***Uhh, that shiite has only been happening since oil & gas reserves were found in that region. This war is about oil:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The Russians weren’t even interested in western Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.
In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.
But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.
This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc
If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.
Crush the invading Russians and their bloodthirsty Chechen and Syrian mercs then work out the problem. When your citizens are being killed and your cities bombed you use what you have.
Everyone is a nazi to the media.
Speaking of “bullies.”
You’re one those narcissists who has a every high opinion of yourself for no apparent reason. Nobody knows as much as you.
Good luck with that.
Let’s also not forget that the US of A brought Nazi’s back from WW2 to aid in enhancing our technical capabilities. Think, Werner van Braun, for one.
Why would it [Taiwan declare independence]?
***Because there’s no reason for any other country including the USA to send soldiers or risk military hardware in an internal provincial dispute.
The Chinese nationalists were the legitimate Chinese government up until 1949 when the Chinese communists drove them from the mainland to Taiwan (fka Formosa), a Chinese island just east of the mainland. The Chinese nationalists have a legitimate claim to being the legitimate government of all of China.
***No they do not. They do not even have a legit claim over Taiwan because the indigenous native Taiwanese want to simply be Taiwan and have been oppressed by the Kuomintong.
The problem is, their much larger and much more powerful adversary, the ChiComs, are making the same claim.
***See below where I’ll post my homepage blurb on this stuff.
The problem arose — at least internationally — when the wholly inept and befuddled Jimmy Carter recognized the PRC (the People’s Republic of China; or, simply, Communist China) in January, 1979.
***Yup.
from my home page
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Posted by Kevin OMalley to nickcarraway On News/Activism
01/12/2005 12:07:37 PM PST · 17 of 25
Here is my swag on what is going to happen in Taiwan, posted on an earlier thread,
‘China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285398/posts
1) The one-child policy has created a testosterone-rich generation the likes of which no one on earth has ever seen. China will have an entire army of what they call ‘little dictators who have few prospects of finding women, and they will be very aggressively pushing their old-guard superiors for action on the Taiwan issue. The final straw will be that they’ll be promised wives when they invade Taiwan.
2) Their army is as much as 200 Million strong, which was the size predicted in Revelation in the Bible, called ‘The Kings of the East. They can afford casualties in the range of 10 million, which is 5 times bigger than our army ever was. China has some unfinished business with Vietnam, having fought to a standoff in 1979. They might do a run through Vietnam first so that their troups are more battle-hardened and arrogant, knowing that the US didn’t exactly win there. The added bonus is they get one of the largest warm water ports in the world.
3) Taiwan has never declared independence. It’s not like the brave Estonians standing up to Russia when communism fell. They’re like an impudent child claiming to have sovereignty over China. Their fatal miscalculation is that they know they’ll need Americans to fight for them if they are in a war, but Americans will be reluctant to shed blood for an ally that didn’t have the courage to declare independence until they were invaded on an ‘internal dispute. The chinese will hammer away at this in the press.
4) Chinese weapons policy has been to cycle through older generations of weaponry and stay about one generation behind the latest stuff. They sold their old silkworm missiles to the Iranians and used that money to upgrade their newer missiles, which are inferior to US missiles but they only need to be functional. The plan is to overwhelm defenses with superior numbers. No ship can stand up to 50 supersonic silkworm missiles aimed at it. They have similar tactics for other systems, such as anti aircraft missiles.
5) The chinese went up against Americans in Korea. They sent in 300 thousand infantry up against a much smaller American force. The key was that they only had rifles for about 1 in 5 personnel. So they would tell one to go as far as he could till he got shot, then the 2nd one would pick up the rifle & keep charging, and so on. Today, every one of those infantrymen has an automatic rifle. They are not as well equipped as their US counterparts but they can afford a lot of casualties. Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia and other engagements proved that you can’t replace feet on the ground with air superiority. No matter how advanced the air force is nor how many smart bombs get dropped, the US won’t be able to dislodge a standing army without sending in massive troup numbers and experiencing casualties. If our press made a big deal about losing 1000 US soldiers in Iraq, they’ll have a heydey with 500 thousand casualties. Seeing the press reaction emboldens the Chinese.
6) China is building a blue-water navy including submarines. They might be able to achieve a standoff in the surrounding ocean, limiting the ability to resupply american troups while the chinese troups will pillage Taiwan. Once America loses 2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers (with the resulting radioactive plumes), the calculation is that the U.S. will lose stomach for more fighting.
7) The trick to defeating these strategies with minimal casualties will be special forces operating in Taiwan. They will need to have the ability to direct standoff weapons fire onto individual tanks and squad units in order to be effective.
8) The most likely outcome will be that Taiwan will be a giant pile of rubble. Casualties could run as high as WWII. If China wins, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. If the US wins, it will take a whole generation to repair and rebuild. I think the Chinese view towards weakness or perceived weakness is a little bit like how Germany viewed the U.S. after we sent 10,000 men wandering in the hills to find Pancho Villa, to no avail. The Germans perceived it as weakness and went ahead with their war plans.
9 posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:47:37 PM by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
update in 2021
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3979585/posts
There are some updated conversations regarding the sampan civilian navy internal migration approach.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3979585/posts
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4002096/posts?page=58#58
The chinese will send a sampan navy with 10million “internal migration” civilians armed with CNN uplinks, cameras, and bullhorns. When they get mowed down by our side, the resulting negative PR will be amplified by the chinese knocking out 2 of our aircraft carriers in the blockade with their hypersonic ICBM thermally guided antiship missiles.
America will luze stomach for the fight over what it already calls an internal province of China. Taiwan has never declared independence.
About a third of civilians in Taiwan are ethnic Chinese and maybe only half of them have loyalties and fifth column tendencies towards communist China. They have hundreds of thousands of cargo ships they can fill with civilians armed with cameras, CNN uplinks, and bullhorns.
The resultant slaughter will be live on CNN and the PR backlash will be enough to let China walk right back into their own internal (never did declare independence) province. If we blockade them, they’ll lob thermal-capable antiship ICBM missiles at our aircraft carriers and CNN will record them sinking to the bottom of the sea with the resultant nuclear plume.
America will luze stomach for the fight after luzing a couple $Trillion in carriers and tens of thousands of men in one afternoon, all seen on CNN, with our recourse being... to slaughter civilians. China has all the cards, they just have to lay them down on the table at this point.
And when it’s all over but the shouting, the RINOs and GOPes and democraps will be handwringing, hoping for a quick way to order chinese chips & electronics from Amazon. The chinese want the continued business of globalists so it’ll all be “can’t we just get along” and “water under the bridge” as soon as China is in charge and chips are shipping.
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Whoa, Sparky; you need to chill.
First, it is irrelevant what country Ukraine was part of in 1988. This is 2022.
Secondly, in 2014 Yanukovych — who had previously supported closer ties to the West, which the Ukrainian Parliament supported, as well as a majority of the Ukrainian people — suddenly did an about-face and declared that Russia was the future of Ukraine, not the West. Back then I thought it was pretty shitty of a country’s president to completely disregard the will of his country’s Parliament and the wishes of his citizens, and go off on a completely different path for his own interests.
Thirdly, you assume I trust “the global depopulationist oligarchy.” That is simply assuming facts not in evidence, which is a common fallacy employed by people who are strangers to the truth. I don’t “trust” anyone, other than my wife and family. As for all others, I adhere to a re-phrasing of the Reagan Doctrine: “Verify first, then trust conditionally.”
You said: “These are the same people behind the Great Reset plan to starve 90% of the world’s population while they live comfortably in their well-stocked New Zealand escape compounds waiting for the “useless eaters” to be dead.”
So, after this mass starvation, that would leave some 700,000,000 to be enslaved by a few thousand oligarchs — and at that I’m being generous with the number. Those oligarchs wouldn’t last 24 hours once the enslaved said, “Screw this!” (which they will). This “Great Reset” is nothing but the wild fantasy of a fevered mind. That’s crack pipe stuff.
That kind of resembles the colonial British strategy - a few strong points and a minimal military presence. Partner with the local power structure to keep the peace.
At any rate unless our immediate national interests are at stake we need to stay the hell out.
Given recent events, I would not begrudge Ukraine developing its own nukes.
America is being destroyed, and you are a willing accomplice with your knee-jerk RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! Hillary Clinton echo.
The very fact that you are on the same side as she ought to give you pause, but you’re not that bright.
Good luck, Skippy.
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