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The Ukraine War Might Mean Tanks Are The New Battleship (As In Obsolete)
1945 ^ | March 29, 2022 | Peter Suciu

Posted on 03/29/2022 5:18:10 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: Pearls Before Swine

Ex. Pres. Poroshenko was in the streets a couple weeks ago (may still be) and said his street militia’s Javelins had been 100% effective. Granted I don’t know if all the targets were tanks, but he also had N-LAWS — it’d make sense to use the Javelins against the toughest targets in appropriate situations, IF they had that choice.

There have been multiple vids of anti-tank missiles succeeding vs. defensive counterfire (see “Trophy” reference above.) I am going to guess that at this time the Russians just don’t have as effective a system as Trophy or FIST. However, even if they did, I can think of ways to defeat such systems, and if I can, other people surely already have too. Whether such are operational by anybody I don’t know.

Cost may be as low as $20,000 for Chinese AT missiles based off the Javelin design, and is over $80,000 for Javelins. That sounds like a lot, but is over an order of magnitude cheaper than a good tank.

Interesting article on various AT missiles:

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/top_10_portable_atgms.htm


61 posted on 03/30/2022 5:43:17 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

High on the list of weapons the Ukrainians are requesting from the US and other countries are main battle tanks.


62 posted on 03/30/2022 5:46:15 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Paul R.

Thanks. Interesting info for the armchair strategist.


63 posted on 03/30/2022 6:50:35 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Kevmo

The harrier’s primary mode isn’t hover, it’s fixed wing flight. If I were to guess, I would say that it would not do well against fighters or helos.


64 posted on 03/30/2022 5:15:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

What war?


65 posted on 03/30/2022 5:19:54 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Harrier has the 2nd best air-air kill ratio. The first is the F15.
https://migflug.com/jetflights/the-combat-statistics-for-all-the-aircraft-currently-in-use/

The Harrier is designed as a BOMBER; the F15 is designed as an Air Superiority FIGHTER. In exercises, the Harrier bomber beat the air superiority fighter 3:1. That’s like saying my delivery van can beat your Ferrari off the line 3:1, let’s see how your Ferrari does in delivering a ton of Amazon boxes.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1342535/posts?page=78#78

excerpt from a magazine, “NATO Warplanes”, from 1985 and has the page #37 on the bottom. ... the front has a tear off which includes a table showing the Kill Ratios of the Sea Harrier vs. Other aircraft. Here’s the Table:

Sea Harrier Success Record in Combat Engagements During Peacetime Exercises
(Figure 3)

VENUE ADVERSARY KILL RATIO

(Sea Harrier Wins: Adversary Wins)

Decimomannu 81 F15 & F5E 12:4

Decimomannu 83 F16 31:14

Alconbury F5E 3:1

NATO Sea Exercise F14 3:1 to 10:1

United Kingdom F4 10:1


66 posted on 03/30/2022 5:31:08 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Husker24

Use horses.


67 posted on 03/30/2022 11:12:15 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: MinorityRepublican

AI robot soldiers mean the end of human armies and police. And the end of freedom.


68 posted on 03/30/2022 11:14:10 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: MinorityRepublican

Drone wars are the future.


69 posted on 03/30/2022 11:18:47 PM PDT by McGruff (Biden - There's going to be a new world order out there and we've got to lead it)
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