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The Ukraine War Might Mean Tanks Are The New Battleship (As In Obsolete)
1945 ^ | March 29, 2022 | Peter Suciu

Posted on 03/29/2022 5:18:10 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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1 posted on 03/29/2022 5:18:10 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

I kind looked at it as Putin getting rid of old stock...and Ukraine has to spend the time and manpower to clean it up.


2 posted on 03/29/2022 5:21:18 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Sacajaweau

If mankind could only develop ways to improve the world as good as they do destroying it we might have a better place to live.


3 posted on 03/29/2022 5:22:16 PM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: MinorityRepublican

They are definitely obsolete unless you’re messing with a third rate army and even now they could be obsolete regardless


4 posted on 03/29/2022 5:24:02 PM PDT by Levy78
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To: MinorityRepublican

The USMC has been getting rid of their Armor for a couple years now


5 posted on 03/29/2022 5:25:57 PM PDT by jpp113
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To: MinorityRepublican

No, what it shows is that failing to use combined arms and not actually able to run a war are obsolete.


6 posted on 03/29/2022 5:27:49 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: MinorityRepublican

Retired 19Kilo here. I think the days of main battle tanks are numbered.


7 posted on 03/29/2022 5:28:01 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk
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To: oldasrocks

Its easier to destroy than organize and create. No maintenance needed in destroying.

Plus all human nature is naturally inclined to destroy. Not just because its easier, its because it appeals to our base sinful natures.


8 posted on 03/29/2022 5:30:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Delta 21

ping


9 posted on 03/29/2022 5:30:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: MinorityRepublican

The question is.....are the helicopters obsolete too? Obviously they are still useful if you fight against an enemy in a third world country. But not if you fight in a first or second world country where they have access to weapons like Stingers that can take out helicopters.


10 posted on 03/29/2022 5:31:35 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’s been obvious for a while unmanned drones will dominate war fighting at every level of engagement. Thousands of small anti personnel drones will be released in the near future.


11 posted on 03/29/2022 5:32:19 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: MinorityRepublican

Since snall anti tank weapons have rendered tanks obsolete, wouldn’t they render all vehicles obsolete too? How does one capture territory?


12 posted on 03/29/2022 5:32:40 PM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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To: MinorityRepublican
This reminded me of this funny video:

How to Protect Your Computer from Getting Shot by a Main Battle Tank

13 posted on 03/29/2022 5:34:12 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Newbomb Turk

I would agree with “Main Battle Tanks” as we know them becoming a dead classification. But another trend seen around the world is heavier up-armored IFV’s for transporting infantry. Once the infantry dismounts, these basically serve as mobile fire support platforms much like infantry tanks did in the world wars. And the recon elements will always need some light armor to do their jobs.

What you might get instead of complete obsolescence is a new bifurcation into a limited number of ‘Heavy’ and larger number of ‘Light’ tanks.


14 posted on 03/29/2022 5:39:00 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy
I would agree with “Main Battle Tanks” as we know them becoming a dead classification. But another trend seen around the world is heavier up-armored IFV’s for transporting infantry. Once the infantry dismounts, these basically serve as mobile fire support platforms much like infantry tanks did in the world wars. And the recon elements will always need some light armor to do their jobs

Bad tactic for Russians to remain in their MBT. Ride their tanks but then dismount like infantry would do and attack their enemy in Ukraine.

15 posted on 03/29/2022 5:41:15 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Husker24

There are ground drones to help with that. Boston Dynamics has developed quite a few.

https://www.bostondynamics.com/


16 posted on 03/29/2022 5:41:47 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

In GW2 a company of Apache gunships got decimated when they were sent unsupported over a defended area. Seems to me that the Russians are misusing their rotary wing assets just as we did in that instance.


17 posted on 03/29/2022 5:41:52 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

The FGM-148 Javelin and Drones are quickly illustrating this analysis correct.


18 posted on 03/29/2022 5:42:38 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: MinorityRepublican

Tanks without supporting infantry and ADA has always been a dumb idea, but doesn’t make tanks obsolete. Operating tanks with open LOS beyond the FLOT where they can be ranged by ATGMs is also a dumb idea. Operating tanks in urban areas without infantry support has always been a really, really, dumb idea. Operating tanks with excellent crews with great tactics, on the terrain of their choosing that emphasizes their strengths is still smart and hard to beat.


19 posted on 03/29/2022 5:43:09 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: Widget Jr

Yes, I think you are right, we can’t judge the whole strategy just based on the performance of the Russians when it seems like their communications, equipment, supply lines, planning and probably even their command structure were not working anywhere near 100% efficiency.

However, we can still probably learn a lot from their mistakes and make sure we don’t stumble into the same trap, through negligence or overconfidence.


20 posted on 03/29/2022 5:43:22 PM PDT by Boogieman
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