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Trump's base splinters over Ukraine
NBC.com ^ | 28 Mar 2022 | Jonathan Allen

Posted on 03/29/2022 12:56:52 AM PDT by blueplum

At one recent rally, some of Trump's supporters said Putin should have free rein, while others advocated sending in U.S. troops.

...COMMERCE, Ga. — As former President Donald Trump tries to refine his message about Russia's war against Ukraine, his base is splintered over the question of America's engagement in Eastern Europe.

"It's not our business," Peggy Bright, 57, said shortly before Trump spoke to an unusually restless and muted crowd here Saturday night...

...Alina Roberts, a Trump voter who was born in Latvia and lives in Atlanta, said at Saturday's rally that Putin cannot be stopped without direct U.S. intervention....

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia
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To: rbmillerjr

I have not heard such rambling babble as the nonsense you posted.

You, sir, are on of them. You know, the ones that want war, but will not take your own children by the hand down to the recruiters office.

Go away, go far away. I hear karl rove needs a new assistant


81 posted on 03/29/2022 5:34:17 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: MayflowerMadam
“Some argued that in WW2.” Ever hear of Pearl Harbor?

Ever hear of Charles Lindbergh who argued for neutrality in WW2, before Pearl Harbor?

82 posted on 03/29/2022 5:35:44 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: tlozo

And in the last 20 years, we invaded two and assisted in regime change in several others.

We dropped so many darn bombs we ran out of them. Thanks, Obama and Biden, you sick POS warmongers.

We went to war over 3,000 lives lost on 9-11-2001, but Putin is a monster for saying enough after 14,000 were killed in Donbass?

No one’s hands are clean, especially ours.

Its easy to still support Trump and not agree with him on this issue.


83 posted on 03/29/2022 5:38:17 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....!)
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To: Fury

For this administration I don’t think they’ve considered any of the 8 points, frankly.


84 posted on 03/29/2022 5:47:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tlozo
“Important difference, Putin is trying to install his puppet TOTALITARIAN regime in Ukraine.”

replacing one totalitarian regime with another - so what? Just as we have worked to install puppet regimes in many countries.

85 posted on 03/29/2022 5:54:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: eclectic

Your fears are in alignment with the left.

How’s that feel?


86 posted on 03/29/2022 5:59:11 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Gaffer

Re: 84 - Not just Biden, but many, many FReepers here apparently have also not considered those eight questions.

One FReeper dismissed the Powell Doctrine because Powell was a “failure”. Would not even address the eight questions regardless of their relevance. When that happens, you can be fairly confident that people have not thought through those eight questions much.


87 posted on 03/29/2022 6:13:32 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Alberta's Child

So tell me, when was the last time the United States unilaterally invaded another country and annexed its territory? 1848? 1893? Agree with them or not, actions in Korea, Vietnam, and more recently in the Middle East we’re done under UN approval or in concert with other nations. Putin acts alone to satisfy his vision of the Motherland. So stop with the infantile nonsense.


88 posted on 03/29/2022 6:14:03 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Alberta's Child

“U.S. has military bases in more than 40% of the “sovereign” nations of the world”

The US is invited into every one. We don’t take territory. That would be Russia and China.

Thank God we have allies who understand the evil in the world.


89 posted on 03/29/2022 6:36:01 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: blueplum

Described from a media entity, who believes everyone should think the same way.


90 posted on 03/29/2022 6:52:15 AM PDT by Nifty
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To: tlozo

You have no idea how “democratic” those countries are. Turns out the U.S. government has been meddling in foreign elections even more than they claim Russians have been meddling in ours.


91 posted on 03/29/2022 7:09:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Fury

Personally, I think Powell is a scumbag. But the eight questions/points of what they call his doctrine are entirely reasonable and necessary, IMO, if we are going to get engulfed into something that could trigger a nuclear exchange.


92 posted on 03/29/2022 7:11:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Concentrate

Exactly.

Another war to protect people that hate us against people that hate us that profits a lot of politicians and MIC people, but destroys a generation.

Now, with nukes.

Nope..


93 posted on 03/29/2022 7:18:46 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: logi_cal869

I am aligned with Trump. Feels good.


94 posted on 03/29/2022 7:21:05 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; rbmillerjr
This isn't 1850, people. You don't establish an empire by invading countries and annexing their territory anymore. In fact, the U.S. approach to empire-building is predicated on the understanding that keeping other regions outside the protection of U.S. laws and the jurisdiction of the U.S. courts is ideal.

The U.S. doesn't invade other countries to "own" their lands. We invade them to install governments that are willing to do business with the same global corporations that buy our own government.

Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley capture the essence of this perfectly. Does anyone ever wonder what the hell the voters of South Carolina care about the war-mongering globalism that defines these two stooges? They don't. Graham and Haley don't represent the voters of South Carolina. Rather, their rise on the U.S. political scene coincides with the decision of Boeing Corporation to invest a fortune in new aircraft production facilities in South Carolina. Graham and Haley are employed by Boeing, not the people of the United States.

Why is Lindsey Graham pushing so hard to have the U.S. military protect Ukraine, even while he's one of the worst in Washington when it comes to protecting our own borders? It's because Ukraine International Airlines was the first company from a former Soviet republic to buy Boeing aircraft for its fleet.

Lindsey Graham doesn't give a sh!t about democracy in Ukraine. If Vladimir Putin purchased Boeing aircraft for Aeroflot and that Zelensky dude was buying Airbus aircraft, the U.S. would be supporting the Russians in this one. In fact, the Russians wouldn't even need to invade Ukraine because the U.S. would have done it for them.

95 posted on 03/29/2022 7:21:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Alberta's Child

“the war-mongering globalism”

This phrase is defeated in reality. Peace through Strength is good old Reagan conservatism. When Russia acts as it has done in Georgia and Ukraine, three times now, it shows that the reality is that there is evil out there.


96 posted on 03/29/2022 8:03:51 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: rbmillerjr
Oh, please. This claptrap where "good vs. evil" nonsense is peddled to gullible Americans to support corporate globalism has gotten old, dude.

You'd think at least marginally intelligent people would figure it out after seeing U.S. military forces used to protect radical Islamic royal families in the Middle East for decades ... to "protect democracy." It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

97 posted on 03/29/2022 8:07:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: rbmillerjr
Peace through Strength is good old Reagan conservatism.

If only he had lived up to that himself.

One of the defining moments of my teenage years was the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut. The suicide bomber drove his bomb-laden truck past a checkpoint manned by guards who had no ammunition in their weapons.

That's when any interest I had in a military career came to an abrupt end.

"Peace through Strength," my @ss. At least Reagan was smart enough to bail out of that dump.

98 posted on 03/29/2022 8:11:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: blueplum

Dream on, MSM, Trump's base ISN'T splintered unless it's splintered OVER TRUMP.

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99 posted on 03/29/2022 8:13:41 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Alberta's Child

“claptrap where “good vs. evil” nonsense is peddled to gullible Americans to support corporate globalism has gotten old, dude”

The great thing about your conspiracy theories, are that you can fit them into anything you disagree with. Conspiracy theories of “globalist warmongers” are accepted by weak minded individuals, who can’t discern simple or complex realities.

You not accepting “good versus evil” is just part of the reliance on relativism, that is a destructive force in our society and the reality of that destructive force is widely accepted by most conservatives, but not liberaltarians.


100 posted on 03/29/2022 8:31:49 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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