Washington state will ban most non-electric vehicles by 2030

End Time Headlines ^ | Mar 27, 2022 | Ricky Scaparo

[nothingnew]

And all taxes collected from gasoline taxes?

lectricty gonna cost lots more...bank on it.

FMCDH(BITS)

[hinckley buzzard]

I wonder what it must be like to live under a mentally aberrant governor.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, but new cars in those days didn’t run $45 to $100 thousand a pop.

I also question how much that program truly helped.

If you’re driving an old clunker, there’s a reason. You can’t afford a newer car.

Even with the payment for the clunker, how many of those folks could afford
another large loan payment?

[jonrick46]

I guess Washington has to build more dams after removing them because of their impact on salmon. How are they going to do this without impacting salmon runs is the big question. Maybe another direction would be nuclear energy. They better get started now because those nuclear plants take lots of time to build.

Forget solar and wind. People charge their EVs at night when solar is not available.

Forget wind. There is no place in Washington State with consistent wind. Those wind generators make too much noise and the placement of them must consider their impact if anyone lives near them.

[jonrick46]

Washington needs to pass a bill that requires all state representatives, the state senators and the governor be required to have a mental evaluation. Failure to meet the requirements of sound mental sanity will be taken by armed guard to Western State Mental Hospital. Those who take their place will also screened for mental sanity.

The big question is when do we start?

[SkyDancer]

The power to charge an EV is more expensive giving the expense of installing a charging unit in your house, then too, what’s the charge rate at a charging station. Using 220/440 power costs more than the 10 cents per kw.

[palmer]

Ok, I'll amend my statement: you can't afford the car and you can't afford to install a high voltage charger in your house. If you don't mind a slow charge (12 hours or so), then you can use an outlet you already have.

But your electricity is pretty cheap and the cost per mile will be lower than a gas car except for a small high mileage car.

[SkyDancer]

Using 110v would take forever (all this stuff I’m getting from my dad and guys in the house) - you need at least 220 min. Still in all, how long would it take to amortize an EV over gas driven car?

[palmer]

Using 110v would take forever (all this stuff I’m getting from my dad and guys in the house) - you need at least 220 min. Still in all, how long would it take to amortize an EV over gas driven car?

Well, not literally forever, the universe may stop expanding, then collapse. But the calculation is pretty simple. Any outlet will give you 15 amps You should have one that will give you 20. But 110 times 15 is 1650 Watts per hour. A Tesla has 75 or 80 kWh capacity, call it 85,000 Wh to allow for charging losses. That's 85,000 / 1650 or 51 hours max for a maximum charge.

Amortizing the cost is tricky. If you drive a lot of miles and run down the battery a lot the EV's battery will depreciate. Anything close to full discharge can be done 1000 times with a normal lithium battery. Maybe EV batteries are better, I don't know. But if you don't drive a lot of miles then you won't use a lot of gas anyway.

In my case I drive 45k miles a year, although I'm trying to lower that. That's 1300 gallons of gas a year or $5600 at the Brandon peak price. The electricity for an EV would cost me $1800 a year. With that many miles I would be using up the lifecycles of the battery. But with the savings it would take about 5 years to pay for the extra $20k I would pay for the vehicle.

So with gas getting cheaper once we get rid of Brandon, and if I can drive fewer miles, it won't make much sense for me to buy one.

[SkyDancer]

To me it’s durability like in hot weather when using the A/C how does that affect range; or in the winter using the heater? Then too, the cost of replacing the battery after like four or five years.

[SunkenCiv]

If combustion engines are banned, can the electric power grid really handle a surge of electric cars? Let’s dive into the challenges associated with electric car charging, and the infrastructure required for it to happen at scale. We’ll look at the hard numbers based on US drivers, average miles driven, average fuel economy and energy efficiency, electricity production and distribution, how long we have to implement upgrades, average household energy consumption, how power gets to our houses, local grid problems, smart grids, real world examples of where this has happened, and the future challenges facing electric vehicles.

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