100 women have now graduated US Army Ranger School

Task & Purpose ^ | Mar 11, 2022 | HALEY BRITZKY

[Alberta's Child]

We “lost” due ROE and a foolish mission.

And one of the stupid ROEs was to have women in combat roles in those military campaigns.

It’s no wonder the U.S. hasn’t won a war in my lifetime.

[T-Bird45]

PLMerite posted: “Yeah, I definitely want to hear that war story.”

PIF replied: “Well would you settle for the referenced puff piece?”
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A proper response requires an understanding of an old joke:

What’s the difference between a fairy tale and a war story?

A fairy tale begins “Once upon a time...” and a war story begins with “Now this ain’t no sh*t...”

The best war story is by a senior NCO who was actually there, not the author of 2, as you say, “puff pieces.”

[kearnyirish2]

She later quit because she was treated as a star and that wrankled many people (including superiors); she had enlisted to get money for cooking school (her father had been in the army).

[Iron Munro]

Another great American institution falls to the Wokesters.

[Baldwin77]

OY !

[carcraft]

I tend to agree. In things like ranger school the saying goes cooperate and graduate. That doesn’t mean cheating, it means providing moral support, encouragement, suggestions, etc. The other point is sometimes people get tunnel vision on task completion. There are work arounds to get the task done. Not cheating but a more efficient way. The other thing about wash outs from ranger school is it is a mental attitude. You receive an order and it is to be followed verbatim . I know people who washed out because they had a better idea, knew a short cut, etc. The first week at about 21:00 hours they were told to go in the barracks and write an essay. It was noisy so the individual went out side with a friend to write. An instructor came by and caught them. Out first week. People think they can run roads, catch some sleep, sneak food, etc. Those are what disqualifies a lot of people. Has nothing to do with strength or stamina.

[Vaduz]

Did she pass the Dundee inspection test?.

[flamberge]

I am sure there are jobs a woman cannot do or shouldn’t do. I don’t know what they are off hand.

Anything that has to do with combat infantry.

Women are unsuitable for those jobs. When placed in them the units suffer much higher casualty rates and are basically combat ineffective.

The Israeli experience is educational. They used to assign women to combat roles. They no longer do that.

War is a harsh objective test - and it is pass-fail. Women in combat fail. Don't put them there.

[SgtHooper]

Then group them as a single company of female fighters, not spread around with the males.

[BobL]

I’m sure the Russians are SHAKING IN THEIR BOOTS!

[rlmorel]

This is the one of the finest, most honest and comprehensive articles about the subject of women in combat I have seen out there, written in 2015 by a woman who served in the USMC and understands these things first hand, Jude Eden:

LINK: "A Question of Standards-Women in Combat" by Jude Eden

This chart below explains it.

Keep in mind how the military must operate-they cannot prioritize the capabilities of a single person (such as a single female who might be physically more capable than a number of randomly picked males) because in battle, people are lost and must be replaced on the fly. (and this goes for men, too)

The military therefore has to deal with large numbers, medians, and averages when dealing with everything from average boot size to average strength and capability.

And this does not even broach the subject of mixing young men and women together in a dangerous environment far from home, the effects on the morale of a unit, or the differences in supply chain.

[Rappini]

I remember that and still miss the Maharishi.

[Georgia Girl 2]

No way that happened under normal training protocols. I was a star athlete in high school but still could in no way compete with guys.

[Old Grumpy]

“Then group them as a single company of female fighters, not spread around with the males.”

AGREE!

[rlmorel]

"...I know people who washed out because they had a better idea, knew a short cut, etc..."

When I was in the USN, I remember our Chief giving us a very serious lecture before we deployed, many of us for the first time who had never set foot on a flight deck before. (I have to paraphrase, but it was dead serious, and went something like this:)

"When you work on the flight deck, remember everything we have taught you. Some of those things may seem harder or unreasonable, but they were taught to you that way for a reason. If you think you have a better way to do things, don't do them that way. On the flight deck, things are done a particular way for a reason, and many of those rules were written in blood."

There is much in the military that is like that. It is why, when you are given a command or an order, as you point out, it is to be followed verbatim. (at least for the more inexperienced guys like me it was)

[kearnyirish2]

Israel had data about the co-ed units in combat, and it didn’t support the concept; while women could fight (the Uzi and Ephod vest could accommodate smaller/weaker soldiers), the effect on the male soldiers when females would get shot up was extremely damaging psychologically.

She seems to have a very realistic approach; the differences can’t be ignored without putting troops and missions in jeopardy. A super-strong woman may do well, but only because she is able to do the same tasks as the men with whom she must be interchangeable; that doesn’t happen with lowered standards for all women.

The new type of warfare fought from behind computer screens and within vehicles may be more “female-friendly”, but it doesn’t win wars; boots on the ground with rifles do that (as the Taliban just showed us).

[Carriage Hill]

I have no problem with it... as long as they just have desk jobs, in support of real troops.

[central_va]

[rlmorel]

Yes. I have heard it said much more often these days that (seriously) that “warfare is different today, technology makes up for [INSERT SOME PHYSICAL COMPONENT HERE] and women can do this as well as men...”

Yeah. Such as a mechanized lifter for hoisting shells or something like that, and in battle, the thing gets hit by a mortar or breaks down because the supply chain has been interrupted. Or the battery runs down. Then a human being has to do hump work, and missions, battles, wars, and ultimately, lives depend on it being done.

There are a million things like that. And it still will, in the end, come down to a human doing them with their own physical brawn.

[AFret.]

“...Capt. Shaina Coss, became the first woman to lead Rangers in combat.”

Yeah, I definitely want to hear that war story.

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So do I. Somehow I just can’t picture, “The Girls of Point Du Hoc”...