Posted on 02/25/2022 2:47:18 AM PST by Kaslin
In an ideal world, maybe we could ignore what's happening in Ukraine but we have to see the world as it is, not how we want it to be: Russia is calling and wants its Ukraine back.
I generally appreciate Tucker Carlson, but every time he discusses Ukraine and Russia, I bristle — especially when he contends that America has no interest in Ukraine. I know some of you might agree with Carlson, but you can be a solid conservative who is just as war-weary as the next guy and still see a security interest in Ukraine without being a neocon.
Putin claims to be protecting Russians left in Ukraine after the USSR collapsed, and that Ukraine is rightfully Russian and always has been, even though, historically, there was a Kiev before there was a Moscow. (By the way, it isn't pronounced keev as in keen, but kuh-YEEV in Ukrainian and KEY-yev in Russian.)
Vlad has been a serial breaker of international norms starting as early as 2008, when he invaded Georgia. He annexed Crimea in 2014 and made his first incursion into the Donbas region. Not only has he flagrantly violated Article 2(4) of the U.N. charter by his "use of force against the territorial integrity" of Ukraine, but he has repeatedly violated the promises Russia, the U.S., and the U.K. made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum: security to Ukraine for giving up its nukes, with assurances that the U.S. would respond if Russia were to renege. All three nations agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine" and "to refrain from the threat or use of force" against Ukraine.
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We came. we saw, he died. No Putin did not say that. An American said that after invading and totally destroying another country and splitting.
Putin is not the only bad player on the block.
Is it too complicated for you and others to understand Putin’s very own words in that he does not want NATO next to Russia’s borders? Is it that difficult? Really?! His own words....
You’re naïve if you believe that’s all there is to it. You do understand that politicians don’t tell the truth, and when they do they don’t tell the whole story, right? Really?! How old are you, 13?
It is in the interests of the Global elites and Biden to send the children of America’s middle class to die so that Hunter Biden can be assured a steady supply of bribes, crack, and prostitutes. That is the only issue I can think of that the Global elites care about. Well, maybe that and the vast mineral wealth of Ukraine. I remember the left chanting “No war for oil.” Will they now chant “No war for minerals?”
If Europe is concerned, let them spill their blood and money over Ukraine.
The U.S. border is more important to real Americans!
Not our circus.
But we should give the monkeys all the popcorn they can handle.
Tucker is a fool
Geez! Did person actually READ the Budapest memorandum? IT NEVER SAYS ANYTHING about u.s. attacking Russia if they invade ukraine. NOT. AT. ALL.
Cranko can't read a map?
here's the map of NATO in 2012
The dark blue is NATO - and you notice that Russia bordered one NATO state (Poland) as early as 1999 and then 4 NATO States (Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia) in 2004?
And see how close Estonia is to St. Petersburg (100 km) and Moscow? Far closer than Kyiv is.
Stop believing the lies put out by the Kremlin
Give Sally a rifle and a one way ticket to Ukraine.
Tucker is right and this person is wrong.
Zbigniew Brzezinski has famously observed that “without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire.”
Sally “Zelikovsky”.
My grandpa would always say, “what kind of name is that”, leaving my Mom mortified - but grandpa was a smart guy.
It’s simple Sally: Ask yourself is Ukraine worth your child dying for?
For my soon-to-be-draft-age son, my answer is F no…
Finland or Sweden are not on Putin’s radar and he hasn’t referred to them as “illegitimate nations”
Putin has stated, and this is a common Russian view, that Ukraine is “Malorussia” or “little Russia” and not really to be a separate country. This has been expressed since the 1700s, though there was a 10 year long friendly relationship during the Yeltsin years.
Sweden was the other - the invader of Russia and the enemy.
Finland was briefly part of the Tsardom but as a separate Kingdom (from 1810 to 1918), so not seen in the same light.
Putin see’s the existence of Ukraine and Belarus (Bialo-rus) separate from rule by the Kremlin, as illegitimate.
This would be like comparing for the UK giving Wales independence vs giving Denmark or Calais independence from the UK
that's the point of giving Ukraine the means to defend itself.
No American boots on the ground
This is just like the German conquest of the Sudentenland in 1938 -- if France and the UK had pushed in or given Czechia a means to defend itself like Ukraine is defending itself, then WWII would not be the catacylsm it was. The Prussian generals were waiting for Hitler to slip up and they would pounce
By Ukraine stopping or even stalling Putin's ambitions they have effectively prevented an escalation of war
If Putin had gotten his way in Feb 2022, then Ukraine would be a vassal state and next Putin would incorporate all of Belarus and most of Ukraine by today. Then he would have targeted the baltics and THEN the USA would be involved
But now, no - Putin has destroyed much of russia's ability to make war and depleted his country's prestige
Supplying or taking non-military action for an opposing army is one of the most common ways of getting dragged into a war — support for Cuban rebels leading to the Spanish/American War, arms to the Allies prior to the Lusitania, cutting off oil to Japan in WWII, military “advisors” leading to Vietnam.
At some point, the enemy understands that they are in a proxy war and decides to cut out the middleman — leading to direct conflict.
There’s a lot of misery in the world.
It’s not our job to fix it all with our blood and treasure…
Not our blood and inky 8% of our annual military budget.
This reduces or eliminates the possibility of American troops fighting a war with Russia in the future.
I agree. If we had the Monroe Doctrine, there’s not much to complain about when possible foreign adversaries (i.e., NATO) camp out on your doorstep with RUS/UKR.
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