Posted on 02/06/2022 1:45:46 PM PST by RandFan
Sen. Marco Rubio said Sunday that “vice presidents can’t simply decide not to certify” the result of an election, distancing himself from the repeated claims of former President Donald Trump.
Mr. Trump has insisted that former Vice President Mike Pence could have changed the results of the 2020 election.
“I just don’t think a vice president has that power,” Mr. Rubio said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
“If President Trump runs for reelection, I believe he would defeat Joe Biden — and I don’t want Kamala Harris to have the power as vice president to overturn that election,” he said. “That is the same thing that I concluded in January of 2021.”
Mr. Pence scored headlines last week after delivering remarks before the Federalist Society in which he said, “President Trump is wrong.
“I had no right to overturn the election,” Mr. Pence said.
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This is misleading enough to be a lie. 30 legislators sent a letter to Pence. 30 out of 200. That's 15% of the Pennsylvania House. Do you really think a 15% threshold is enough to overturn an election? It is beyond stupid. It is dangerous because Dems will act on it if that is the rule you want.
This is misleading enough to be a lie. 30 legislators sent a letter to Pence. 30 out of 200. That’s 15% of the Pennsylvania House. Do you really think a 15% threshold is enough to overturn an election?
So, what is the “threshold” numb nuts?
I generally don’t care much for Rubio, and see him mostly as a preening phony. But if you take the name off of the the point he was making, it actually makes some sense. That’s often what you have to do sometimes, to actually measure something objectively. You have to forget about the messenger, and look at the message.
This also works when analyzing politicians, and comparing Democrats to Republicans, and vice versa. You take something a Republican did, and you can try to imagine how you might feel about it if a Democrat were to do the same thing. Sometimes this is the only way to stay true to your principles, and not be blinded by your personal political party bias.
And if a Democrat like Kamala Harris wanted to push the bounds of legality, by casting aside votes from states that were in question, in her VP role in the Senate, I have to admit I would almost certainly be extremely angry and distrustful of it.
That does not mean that Pence should have acted in one particular way or another, but only to admit that even considering this type of maneuver is, and should be, controversial. So I don’t claim to have the perfect answer on what Pence should have done, other than I think he could have done a heck of a lot more than he has done on election integrity, which to this point is basically nothing.
The biggest problem I have now, is why wasn’t this BS dealt with back in the spring of 2021? We’re already into 2022 and this is only distracting from us wining the 2022 midterms. These issues should have remained hot right after the election and be a lot further along in resolving than they are now. It’s almost like it was all purposefully delayed just to be stirred up right before 2022, when Trump isn’t even on the ballot.
Li’l Marco. Always wrong.
Rubio is liar. The states would have to call for the electors to be returned, and the Democrats would have to control the state legislature.
Good God you naive dolt. Do you think they DemSocialist) give a damn what we say or what standards we have or have not set. They believe BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY...and they have ZERO standards. Freakin’ idiot.
“If Pence had tried to do this, both he and Trump would have gone down in flames.”
I totally believe that if our Constitution gives the power of certification of election results to the VP, then the power to NOT certify is also implied, meaning that pence could have sent the disputed electors back to the states where there was evidence of gross election misconduct being presented.
However, I do believe that if pence had done that, the country would have exploded with Antifa/blacblock/etc agitators burning and looting major cities.
Remember when buildings were boarded up prior to election night? Why was that? Because if Trump had been declared winner (which he wasn’t although he did win the election) the agitators were ready to burn it all down. When Biteme Brandon was declared the “winner”, all of the agitators stood down.
If Trump had been declared the winner on 11/3/2020 (or early morning 11/4/2020). or if pence had delayed certification on J6 the country would have burned. I would bet my life on it.
The people who would have done so were very well funded and well organized. What horrible people to hold our country hostage.
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So when the Republicans had the House, the Senate, and the WH, Rubio was lying to urge more Investigations of Trump, and he propped up the FBi Coup.
And his Republican Senate didn’t issue a single Subpoena in four years to investigate Biden, Baby Biden, Brothers Biden, nor any other Democrat.
There can only be one conclusion - Rubio is still propping up members that serve the Democrats.
Thus, the statements to support Pence are designed to keep a soldier on the field to undermine Conservatives and push the Dem Agenda forward.
I knew this high-school kid was too stupid to be president.
The VP doesn’t DECIDE the election. He is able to send it back to the state legislature to resolve issues.
Why would a court even bother wasting its time on that nonsense?
That's like contesting the result of the 1960 World Series in court TODAY. You wouldn't even get in the front door to have your case heard.
Right -- like in 2016? Oh, wait a minute ...
I'm not even a Republican. I have no "GOP buddies."
The entire premise of his statement is invalid.
Pence was asked, by STATE LEGISLATURES to return the electors so they could look into fraud and procedural irregularities.
Pence was not asked by anyone to DECIDE anything. Simply return the electors to the states to affirm or deny their certification of electors.
Please cite the provision in the Constitution that says the VP has a duty to "stand back while objections were heard."
The date for states to certify their electoral votes in 2020 was December 14th. That was established by Congress in accordance with the constitutional requirement for electors to be certified on a single date.
Once December 14th came and went and every state certified ONE slate of electors, there wasn't a damn thing Pence (or anyone else) could do that would have met any objective constitutional scrutiny.
Incorrect. He was asked be a small minority of legislators from several states but not the legislatures themselves as a body.
That is exactly right. He was asked for time. I know the GA legislature asked for two weeks to investigate the evidence of fraud that they were receiving and had uncovered during hearings.
And…?
1. Please read the 12th Amendment and tell me where it says the Vice President and Congress have the authority to do anything OTHER THAN simply count the certified electoral votes from all the states. Where did that statement about ":the same section" giving Congress the authority to overrule the Vice President come from? It says no such thing.
2. The 12th Amendment was designed to deal with a situation where no candidate had a majority of the electoral votes. That's why it was adopted after the contested 1796 and 1800 elections and ratified in 1804. So in a case where there are only two candidates and no state submits any contested slate of electors -- yes, the process laid out in the 12th Amendment IS ceremonial.
There would have been nothing improper about Pence simply returning the questionable electoral votes to those states for verification.
1. Who would the VP return the "questionable electoral votes" to? He'd have to send them back to the person or office that submitted them in the first place. Why they heck would the person who sent them even acknowledge receiving them back? The only valid response to him would be: "What the hell is the matter with you, moron? Can't you read what I already sent you?"
2. There absolutely WOULD be something improper about the VP returning electoral votes to a state like that. The states just submitted electoral votes in accordance with the specific requirements laid out in the U.S. Constitution. The Vice President answers to the states, not vice versa, and therefore he has no authority to tell them to do anything with the electoral votes they already certified on the date they were obligated to certify them.
They can't do that. The Constitution states explicitly that all the electors have to be certified on the same date. In 2020, Congress established December 14th as that date.
If a state called for its electors to be "returned" after that date, it would forfeit its right to have ANY of its electors counted.
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