Please cite the provision in the Constitution that says the VP has a duty to "stand back while objections were heard."
The date for states to certify their electoral votes in 2020 was December 14th. That was established by Congress in accordance with the constitutional requirement for electors to be certified on a single date.
Once December 14th came and went and every state certified ONE slate of electors, there wasn't a damn thing Pence (or anyone else) could do that would have met any objective constitutional scrutiny.
Putz, you made a false statement and you’ve been called on it. So, what follows is not for you but for those wishing to learn about US History.
The Electoral Count Act of 1887 (ECA) (Pub.L. 49–90, 24 Stat. 373, later codified at Title 3, Chapter 1) is a United States federal law adding to procedures set out in the Constitution of the United States for the counting of electoral votes following a presidential election.
The ultimate arbiter of Electors are STATE LEGISLATURES, not Governors, not Congress, not the President of the US Senate (VP).
Under the Twelfth Amendment, the Vice President (as President of the Senate) opens the electoral certificates. The Act clarifies the Vice President’s limited role in the count.
The Twelfth Amendment says nothing about January 6. January 6 is a day scheduled for convenience of Congress and can be changed, especially if serious objections are filed for hearing.
According to Congress, both houses can:
1. Overrule the Vice President’s decision to include or exclude votes and,
2. Under the ECA, even if the chambers disagree, the governor’s certification, not the Vice President, breaks the tie.
THERE WERE OBJECTORS IN BOTH CHAMBERS OF CONGRESS SCHEDULED TO SPEAK AND PRESENT EVIDENCE ON JANUARY 6, 2021. PENCE BLEW THEM OFF.
Thus, the Constitution’s 12th Amendment was proceeding until Pence decided on his own that the 12th Amendment was irrelevant by distracting with the lie that he was being asked to “overturn the election.” This is a lie. He was asked to delay his counting until objections were heard and votes were taken.
The proper response for Judas Pence was to announce that the counting of Electoral Votes would be delayed until scheduled objections were heard in both chambers and votes were taken.
Pence did not do this.
Instead, he framed his treason as “refusing to overturn an election.”
He joined in the coup of President Trump who won by a landslide.
Just briefly reading this thread over since I last commented earlier today, and while I agree with much of what you wrote, I think this particular comment may be a little off, especially when compared to your latest post #126. In that post you infer there are some things that could have happened around January 6, such as both Houses of Congress voting to object then ultimately reject some of the electors.
Regarding what Pence could have done, he could have simply just not shown up to count ANY votes. Don’t take that as me necessarily being an advocate of that, but it would have at least delayed the votes being officially counted, and called into question any alternative counter the Congress tried to utilize.
If Pence had done anything other than what he did, it would have certainly been seen by many if not most as a Constitutional crises. I think that’s where Pence believes he drew the line, rightly or wrongly, in what this meant for the country that day, or going forward.
Trump and his most ardent supporters believe that a stolen Presidential election is a Constitutional crises in itself, so if some other crisises erupt, so be it.
Had Pence not shown up, it might have resulted in the delay Trump wanted, but I don’t think it would have necessarily helped turn the tide. There were too many forces aligned against him, even more now. It would have definitely been playing with fire thouugh, to the point Trump and Pence could have in a worst case scenario been arrested.
Bottom line I think the guilt for the stolen election starts with the perpetrators, then goes next to the local state governments, then to the courts, then finally down to Pence and even Trump themselves. Yes I said both of them, for not stopping it in advance, for not being prepeared when it happened, and not being on the same page at the end. They’ve done a pretty equally crappy job of not focusing on making sure it doesn’t happen again, since then, as far as I’m concerned. This year later argument is completely ridiculous, and should have been boiled up and excised a year ago, so that it could be off the front pages before the midterms. Thanks.