Posted on 01/27/2022 12:55:16 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
California State University, the largest-four year university system in the country, is poised to eliminate SAT and ACT standardized tests from its undergraduate admissions process, following a trend in higher education over concerns that the exams are unfair to minority and low-income students.
The Board of Trustees for the 23-campus CSU system will vote in March on recommendations to end the testing requirements, which were presented at a meeting Wednesday and met with widespread enthusiasm.
“This issue of SAT and ACT testing has overwhelmed students and families for a long time,” said trustee Diego Arambula. “It feels so important to do this.”
California State University has 486,000 students. If trustees vote to permanently eliminate the exams, CSU would join the University of California in having a “test blind” admission process. The UC’s Board of Regents voted last year to drop the standardized tests at its nine undergraduate campuses.
Critics have long argued that standardized tests put minority and low-income students at a disadvantage, in part because of test questions that can contain inherent bias which more privileged children are better equipped to answer. They also say wealthier students typically take expensive prep courses that help boost their scores, which many students can’t afford.
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“Why even bother to have studies of or on anything - just pay your $200,000 tuition and get your piece of paper with some sort of Tibetan Poetry PHD.”
We are there with certain DNA’s and certain IUD’s (Instant Unemployment Degrees)
‘Welp, more black female federal jurist candidates will be surging into the pipeline.’
before the current decade ends, black females will occupy nearly half of all positions of high influence in this country...
I think the SAT’s are a poor indicator of possible performance and reason for admission. That said, if colleges conduct other due diligence in order to make the admission decision, I think you could get a better answer.
The problem is, Cal States want to exclude white and Asian kids (just like Harvard does) and now without SAT scores they can.
No doubt. For democrats, they are the surest group of uber-leftists available.
‘A real journalist would demand examples.’
one example I heard was the term ‘regatta’, referring to yacht racing; the supposition was that an inner city black kid wouldn’t have any idea what such a thing is, never having seen one...
but I’ve never attended a regatta either, and I don’t know anyone who owns a yacht, so why would it automatically follow that I would know what a regatta is, and a black kid wouldn’t...
it’s a complete denial of the value of learning that which you haven’t experienced, which I have always been told is the purpose of schooling in the first place...
This makes perfect sense as colleges indoctrinate now, not educate. Testing has no use for them, it cuts people out. They want every possible person in college. College is the vaccination of the mind against the American system.
Admissions and the administration should establish the GRR, gender, race ratios, and then evaluate students separated by categories. Women evaluated against women, white males against white males, etc. Women should not be evaluated against men, etc.
Maybe that is what they do now?
Texas pretty much did that back in 2010 with the Top 10% Rule. The top 10 percent of each graduating class got automatic admittance so didn’t have to take the test or didn’t count it but later changed it to a rock bottom low score. Hey, gotta keep funding the SAT.
I don’t think that’s a significant factor in California, which has a higher percentage of Asian population than most (any?) other state, IIRC, it’s about 17% of the population.
Even if there’s a lower propensity to register to vote, that’s still a lot of potential voters, and in my own unscientific experience, this is an issue that gets people hopping mad, and could even be seen as an incentive to get people who have not to register. Remains to be seen if the morons who run the Republican party can act on this “own goal” by the Democrat machine.
Tibetan poetry is a pretty darn tough thing to learn.
One has to learn Tibetan (several varieties of Tibetan) enough to “get” the subtleties of poetry, and then one has to learn absolute masses of literature - Tibetan lit is absolutely not a small subject. And then one has to deal with the actual poetry, which tends to be complex in itself and very, very lengthy. A single poetic epic spans 120 volumes.
How useful it is to become an expert in this field I dont know, but its definitely not a field for lightweights and slackers. Speaking as a retired Mech engineer (BSME).
The normal “useless” degree in the US at this point are any of the social sciences, sociology, psychology, anthropology; the liberal arts as they exist today; and the usual “business” degree.
And then using that knowledge to work in ....???? I was saying that to be sarcastic since you read about complaints of people with large student debt and then see what they studied; I guess I could have added Medieval Classical Studies to that, would help with flipping burgers I guess.
Standardized tests do the exact opposite of what Cal State is claiming, and the “inherent bias” argument is mostly garbage. There’s a desire to go back to a version of the previous method of admitting kids to higher education opportunities, ie, selecting the “right people”. But in this case, that means “not WASPS” and “not Asians”, rather than the old days of “not too many Jews”.
Nothing is perfect, but the push for standardized testing did a lot to level the playing field for talented, but economically or socially disadvantaged people. The Democrats are playing with fire here: you do not want to wake up a Korean “tiger mom” and have her direct her ire in your direction.
Hey, I like that: Instant Unemployment Degree BS/MS/PHD
There are indeed such studies. They do show such correlations.
But they suffer from a couple of factors - the main one:
- Talent (grades and testing) sorts kids into different institutions. Within each institution there is a restricted range of talent. So the full range of kids who take the SAT is more or less chopped up into segments of the whole. One can be a star at Sacramento State while being totally unsuited for Cal Tech.
Highly successful kids at Sac State are likely to be way dumber than those who drop out of Cal Tech.
One effect of the tests is in fact to do this institutional sorting.
This undermines studies within institutions, as the restricted range of test scores within each does not give a good idea of the big picture.
It didn't seem to work out well in practice.
Having hired a lot of people in my time ....
I disagree, to a degree.
Someone with the brains and work ethic to do a hard thing like medieval lit (assuming they did it the old-school way, learning Latin and Medieval French, etc.), has proven they have brains and guts. They are worth a try. I remember hiring a fellow with a Phd in music composition, who after a time turned into an exceptional IT project manager.
What you dont want are people who did easy things.
Again, it was meant as a joke.
Your comment reminds me of that Old refrain.. what do you call the person who graduated last at Medical School... Answer... Doctor.
LOL. Sadly true.
back door to inforcing racial bias in admitting students....
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