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Chuck Schumer's filibuster dodge for voting rights just may work- The Democrats' plan gets past one of two likely GOP filibusters without changing the rules.
MSNBC ^ | Jan. 13, 2022 | Hayes Brown

Posted on 01/13/2022 1:02:43 PM PST by redguyinabluestate

In a Wednesday memo to Democrats, Schumer promised to employ a process called “messages between the houses” to get both bills onto the Senate floor.

If you’re asking yourself, “What are ‘messages between the houses?’” you aren’t alone. Rules wonk that I am, I’d never heard of this process. But here’s the short version: Before a bill can become a law, the House and Senate both have to agree on the wording of that bill. Most of us are familiar with the two chambers putting together a conference committee to hammer out the differences in language — though these have been rare in recent years, as more and more obstruction has become the norm.

An alternate method uses “messages between the houses” to pass amendments to bills back and forth. “Each house has one opportunity to amend the amendments from the other house, so there can be Senate amendments to House amendments to Senate amendments to a House bill,” the Congressional Research Service explained. What’s important for this current situation, though, is that amendments from the House are considered “privileged,” which means they can be put before the Senate without debate. That, in turn, means there’s no opportunity for Republicans to filibuster bringing the amended bill to the floor.

This leads us to the play from Schumer and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. The two Democratic leaders have picked a bill that has already been passed back and forth several times: one on NASA. The House will pass “an amendment in the nature of a substitute,” essentially deleting the entirety of the original text and replacing it with the Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act. (The House Rules Committee met on Wednesday night to get that process started.)

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: filibuster; msdnc; mslsd; msnbc; pelosi; pmsnbc; schumer; sidebarabuse
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To: The_Media_never_lie

We will elect Republicans in 2022 who will only play nice with the democrats...


We will only elect people pre-approved by the Democrat Party. No others.


21 posted on 01/13/2022 1:17:19 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: 1Old Pro

It appears they’re going to use a previously passed bill regarding NASA as a shell. From the article:

What’s important for this current situation, though, is that amendments from the House are considered “privileged,” which means they can be put before the Senate without debate. That, in turn, means there’s no opportunity for Republicans to filibuster bringing the amended bill to the floor.


22 posted on 01/13/2022 1:18:35 PM PST by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: jstolzen

Since Latinos have now gone 61% unfavorable of Biden per the latest poll I have seen, even their fraud can’t stop the tsunami that is coming.


23 posted on 01/13/2022 1:18:54 PM PST by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: redguyinabluestate
This is how we got Obamacare.

The Senate got around the House spending origination requirement by gutting via amendment the House appropriations bill “Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009” that passed in the House 416-0.

Democrats are trying to this again, only worse. They are scheming to gut a House bill in a way that avoids Senate debate, something they did not do with Obamacare.

-PJ

24 posted on 01/13/2022 1:19:24 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: brownsfan

Sounds like smoke and mirrors, so perhaps Schumer tries it. I’m sure they’re game for a constitutional crisis.


25 posted on 01/13/2022 1:21:09 PM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: 1Old Pro

The entire point of the article is that this is a method they could use to bypass the opportunity to filibuster, without suspended the filibuster or making any rules changes.


26 posted on 01/13/2022 1:21:32 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: cuz1961

“an amendment in the nature of a substitute,” essentially deleting the entirety of the original text and replacing it with the Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act.
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Gee, that sounds ricoish.

Conspiracy to subvert legal process?

To subvert
is to Obstruct isn’t it ?

Aren’t they prosecuting the 1/6 ers for that ?

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U.S.C. 18 && 1512(k)

Conspiracy to Obstruct an official proceeding.

U.S.C. 18 && 1512(c)(1),2

Tampering with documents or proceedings and aiding or abetting

?


27 posted on 01/13/2022 1:21:47 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: redguyinabluestate

isn’t this similar to what they pulled with reconciliation?

time to start dredging the lake.


28 posted on 01/13/2022 1:21:58 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: redguyinabluestate
Re> Before a bill can become a law, the House and Senate both have to agree on the wording of that bill.

Please explain "we have to pass it to see what is in ti?"

29 posted on 01/13/2022 1:22:02 PM PST by IC Ken
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To: cuz1961

Well, the filibuster isn’t a legal process. It’s a parliamentary one. There’s no law about evading or subverting parliamentary procedures.


30 posted on 01/13/2022 1:22:47 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: farmguy
look for any state where it makes a difference to immediately tie it up in court on Constitutional grounds.

If the past is any indication, the court filings will be deemed either premature or without standing until after the next election, at which time the filings will be deemed too late.

Anybody pointing this out will be declared a terrorist.

31 posted on 01/13/2022 1:24:42 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: 1Old Pro

“Sounds like smoke and mirrors, so perhaps Schumer tries it. I’m sure they’re game for a constitutional crisis.”

I’m pretty sure Dems are, as usual, willing to go scorched earth. They know they are about to get a beating in November, so to try to preserve power, they’ll try this, and if it results in a crisis, so much the better.


32 posted on 01/13/2022 1:24:51 PM PST by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: redguyinabluestate

No matter what games Schumer plays, they still have to break the filibuster to pass the bill in the Senate.

How DARE 52 Senators defy the will of 48 democrats?


33 posted on 01/13/2022 1:25:19 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President!?)
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To: Boogieman

It’s a nuclear approach, crossing way over the line, a despicable act. So Schumer and Nancy will try it. The risk is that one or more Dem senators still vote no given the pathetic approach which still defiles the Senate. I say Sinema is still a no.


34 posted on 01/13/2022 1:25:19 PM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: Boogieman

So much for a representative Republic.

How can they claim to represent us when they are hiding sausages.


35 posted on 01/13/2022 1:25:20 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: redguyinabluestate

MSDNC

MOVE ON NOTHING TO SEE HERE


36 posted on 01/13/2022 1:25:30 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: redguyinabluestate

California socialists have been doing something similar for over a decade, called “gut and amend”. Now that they have permanent super majorities, they can pass whatever they want in broad daylight without resorting to such tricks.

Of course the dems in the House and Senate hope to pass these election corrupting laws to ensure permanent majorities for themselves, just like CA.


37 posted on 01/13/2022 1:26:48 PM PST by ETCM
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To: brownsfan

I still think that Sinema votes no based on her previous statements saying it should be debated. So Dems go nuclear crazy nutso and still don’t pass it, quite the historical risk.


38 posted on 01/13/2022 1:26:52 PM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: Boogieman
The entire point of the article is that this is a method they could use to bypass the opportunity to filibuster, without suspended the filibuster or making any rules changes.

It would only avoid the filibuster on the initial closure vote before debate. They would still have to get around the filibuster to actually vote on the bill.

39 posted on 01/13/2022 1:27:27 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President!?)
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To: beancounter13

“even their fraud can’t stop the tsunami that is coming”

Since they have already shown they are willing to commit Venezuelan-like levels of fraud, I can’t really see the logic in this statement. What’s to stop them from just counting votes until they win? The courts won’t stop them, the legislatures won’t stop them, Congress won’t stop them...


40 posted on 01/13/2022 1:27:31 PM PST by Boogieman
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