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‘Rust’ supplier may have mistakenly provided live rounds (Alec Baldwin shooting, ABQ gun store search warrant)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | November 30, 2021 | Matthew Reisen

Posted on 12/01/2021 10:17:39 AM PST by CedarDave

The weapons supplier for “Rust” told investigators he may have mistakenly provided the live ammunition that killed the cinematographer and wounded the director during a shooting on set near Santa Fe early last month.

Authorities say movie star Alec Baldwin was practicing a cross draw in an old church on the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set when he discharged a live round from a Colt .45 revolver, killing Halyna Hutchins, 42, and wounding Joel Souza, 48.

“No charges have been filed as of this date,” Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Juan Rios said Tuesday.

Seth Kenney, owner of PDQ Arm & Prop, told Santa Fe County sheriff’s deputies he may have given reloaded ammunition to the film’s armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed – who loaded the gun – before the Oct. 21 shooting, according to court records.

The father of Gutierrez-Reed, well-known armorer Thell Reed, told deputies he supplied Kenney with live rounds for firearms training with actors during a separate movie shoot out of state and Kenney took the ammunition back to New Mexico with him.

On Tuesday, deputies were in the process of executing a search warrant on Kenney’s business in a strip mall in Northeast Albuquerque.

Prop Master Sarah Zachry told deputies the ammunition for “Rust” was provided by Kenney, by Gutierrez-Reed from a previous production and “extra rounds from an individual identified as ‘Billy Ray.'”

Deputies found other suspected live ammunition on the set during a search and Kenney told them he got his ammunition from Starline Brass.

(Excerpt) Read more at abqjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: alecbaldwin; baldwin; banglist; halynahutchins; joelsouza; movieshooting; rust; rustshooting
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To: Col Frank Slade
The armorer didn’t check the gun and neither did Baldwin.

How do you check the gun? Dummy bullets look exactly like normal bullets.

61 posted on 12/01/2021 12:24:39 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Spok
Are they saying they couldn’t tell the difference between blanks and live ammunition by looking at it? This whole story is becoming surreal.

It is quite easy to tell the difference between blanks and live ammunition. It is considerably more difficult to tell the difference between dummy rounds and live ammunition.

It is my understanding they were using dummy rounds.

62 posted on 12/01/2021 12:26:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: AndyTheBear
From my experience in the national guard it was very obvious at even a casual glance which rounds were live and which were blank. Is there some other kind of blank that looks like a live round?

Dummy rounds look exactly like live rounds. From what i've read, the only distinguishing mark is that some dummy rounds will have a hole drilled in the side of the brass, but these are considered lower quality dummy rounds.

It is my understanding that most movie sets use dummy rounds without the holes drilled in them, and they are indistinguishable from real bullets except for one characteristic. They have a ball bearing installed in them, and when you shake them, they rattle.

This is the only means of telling if a bullet is real or fake.

63 posted on 12/01/2021 12:30:05 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Spok

I would like to see a live and a blank or ‘prop’ round next to each other.
Surely they are not similar.


64 posted on 12/01/2021 12:31:59 PM PST by Vinnie ( L g Brandon)
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To: nagant
The question remains...Why did Baldwin aim the gun at a particular person, cock the gun and pull the trigger?

Check the script....It has directions along with the dialogue. His actions were NOT part of the script.

Why were there any bullets in the gun to start with?

My gut still says this was not an accident...and Baldwin still walks around...soooooo sad...but still walking and talking.....and being sooooo sad.

65 posted on 12/01/2021 12:53:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Seruzawa

There are dummy rounds that look real but they also are supposed to be identifiable.


Well, yes, but those are not blanks.

Dummy rounds don’t have powder or blasting caps.

Blanks have nothing solid at the tip that can fly off (the end is crimped shut). They may be sealed with a bit of wax or thin plastic.


66 posted on 12/01/2021 12:57:53 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: CedarDave

WHO CARES? Alec Baldwin committed a FELONY, manslaughter.

He was reckless and responsible.

Go to JAIL Alec, directly to jail, don’t pass on responsibility, don’t forget to pay MILLIONS in damages.

Let’s go Alec Baldwin.


67 posted on 12/01/2021 1:11:59 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Kid Shelleen

And Alec told george that he didn’t pull the trigger.

So I guess he didn’t cock the hammer either.

Oops, maybe he was cocking, and slipped?

And it was an ‘antique’ gun.

Those dang, dangerous guns!


68 posted on 12/01/2021 1:12:10 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

“Knowing what we know of Baldwin’s personality, I can see him being passive-aggressive with her over some petty difference and ‘pretending’ to shoot her.”

I AGREE!

It might have even been in jest.

I’ll bet he was screwing around with the firearm.


69 posted on 12/01/2021 1:14:08 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Seruzawa

It’s popular around here. That’s probably why we don’t see it our LGSs.


70 posted on 12/01/2021 1:16:22 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: CedarDave

It’s my bet that Baldwin has offered a ton of money to this “supplier” to take the blame.


71 posted on 12/01/2021 1:53:45 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the left, truth is right-wing extremism.⭐⭐)
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To: CedarDave

The supplying of the live ammunition is not a major issue. The armorer should have removed any live ammunition. If it got there, it should not have stayed there. There is something really wrong that the Sheriff’s deputies seized live ammunition.

Maybe some people were playing around with target practice with the cool replicas. Or it was just so lax they had live rounds mixed in in the storage. Then Baldwin was likely playing around trying to scare the Director and Cinematographer.


72 posted on 12/01/2021 2:27:23 PM PST by xxqqzz
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To: CedarDave; All

Now the despicable Alec Baldwin is blaming the gun, not the gunner..... Like all leftists do. Says he never pulled the trigger.


73 posted on 12/01/2021 5:10:23 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: DiogenesLamp
It is my understanding that most movie sets use dummy rounds without the holes drilled in them, and they are indistinguishable from real bullets except for one characteristic. They have a ball bearing installed in them, and when you shake them, they rattle.

Dummy rounds should have no primer seated in the cartridge case head - even without a gunpowder charge, a live primer can push a lead projectile out of the case mouth and into the barrel, where a subsequent blank round could propel it with deadly results (see: Brandon Lee). In place of the missing primer, there is usually a colored rubber plug to absorb the hammer/firing pin strike. The audible rattle isn't something I'd trust, as someone could intentionally add one or two BBs to the case *along with a powder charge*.

Dummy rounds should be visually identifiable in a single-action revolver, simply by opening the cartridge loading gate and manually turning the cylinder so each case head can be seen. Takes just a few seconds to verify "safe".

74 posted on 12/01/2021 5:30:07 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

And they do not go off when you pull the trigger.


75 posted on 12/01/2021 7:11:01 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Charles Martel

Dummy rounds also can have holes drilled in the casing.


76 posted on 12/01/2021 7:12:35 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: CedarDave

“‘Rust’ supplier may have mistakenly provided live rounds (Alec Baldwin shooting, ABQ gun store search warrant)”

even worse, according to alec, they were self-shooting bullets!


77 posted on 12/01/2021 7:37:49 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Dummy rounds also can have holes drilled in the casing.

Given how easy it is to create very realistic looking plastic faux brass, I would think in any scene except a closeup where the ammunition is the focus of the shot, dummy rounds could be made out of plastic.

78 posted on 12/01/2021 7:43:27 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Charles Martel
Dummy rounds should have no primer seated in the cartridge case head

The movie dummy rounds have fake primers. They don't go off. I read an article on this a couple of weeks ago.

They want them to look exactly like real bullets because sometimes they do a scene where someone is loading a gun.

79 posted on 12/01/2021 8:09:30 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: gundog
And they do not go off when you pull the trigger.

Exactly right. They don't even have real primers. They have fake primers that look like real primers.

80 posted on 12/01/2021 8:15:45 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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