You spelled 'semi-retarded' wrong.
Posted on 09/08/2021 7:46:54 AM PDT by bhl
Lowry is going to recover. Thanks to the expensive medical treatment, he doesn’t need my well wishes. But he gets my scorn for using his pulpit to preach dangerous ideology that damn near almost killed him, and could kill anyone who listened.
Yes, “we” told you. Every major scientific body has been saying it. This Lowry character would have been the one of the loons booing when President Trump dared say get the vaccine. How many hundreds of these stories do you need to see? They will accelerate and the stories of adverse vaccine reactions will remain tiny. But here, you’ll only see the adverse reaction stories (last night an 86 year old died from the vaccine! Oh no!) or the rare care when a breakthrough is serious.
So yeah, I post these stories (in good faith) to create a little cognitive dissonance. If you listen to one side of the argument (vaccines are BADDD, covid is no big deal) you’re doing yourself a disservice.
Who am I? I’m a fiscal conservative that leans small L libertarian and I’ve voted straight conservative 30 years. My views are my own, I am semi-retired programmer, and dislike it when people ignore strong statistically backed evidence. I passionately hate that conservatives are going to be hospitalized and killed needlessly because they got caught up in a broken narrative they can’t shake. And it pisses me off the Left will laugh at us “rubes” dying needlessly.
There it is, but some will read this and think, sure, he’s getting paid by big pharma.. because tin foil hats are hard to take off.
Can you send a link to data that shows vaccinated only .7% lower hospitalization? You’re claiming 49:51%? I call BS, but would be happy to admit I’m wrong if there is good data to support it.
Here is a more realistic statistic, based on my first google result: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/unvaccinated-49-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-for-covid-19-king-county-data-shows/
Or a more detailed analysis, showing similar vaccine success: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htm
I am going to guess...no. But I hope you are correct.
Good job trying to save lives.
I keep telling these people, at the rate repubs are dying, the left won’t have to cheat next time.
A little humor for the day...
I am not comparing vaccinated versus all covid cases like they did on this site. Because the data is from January until now, but we didn’t reach 50% vaccinated until this summer, the “unvaxxed” is heavily overepresented and skews the data.
So, I used actual case numbers, deaths and hospitalized for each group.
Vaccinated:
Cases - 40175
Hospitalizations of those cases - 1414 (3.52%)
Deaths - 277 (.6%)
Unvaccinated and under vaccinated
Cases - 702,951
Hospitalized- 29,655 (4.22%)
Deaths - 7558 (1%)
https://dph.georgia.gov/document/document/covid-19-among-fully-vaccinated-people-graphic/download
He is just riding the stats.
https://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
None of which you cite, of course. Not even one.
In May, the CDC reported that a super-spreader event had overrun a 74% "fully-vaccinated" Barnstable County, which is the whole of Cape Cod.
"In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified the Delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients. Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not."
Out of the 469 people who enjoyed Provincetown "activities" from July 3–17, 2021 and earned their COVID badge, exactly ONE UNVACCINATED PERSON WENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR COVID. ONE.
And that ONE person had "multiple underlying medical conditions".
And DIDN'T die.
You spelled 'semi-retarded' wrong.
Interesting! You calculated that if someone is hospitalized, they appear to have similar odds of surviving whether they are vaccinated or not.
But the advantage of the vaccine is to avoid hospitalization, which is what your numbers indicate. 29,665 unvaxxed hospitalizations vs. 1414 vaxxed hospitalizations.
But you’re right— totals are skewed to before vaccines were in wide use.
I would kindly suggest finding recent data for your state. How many are in the hospital (or died) this week or month, and how many are vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. I guarantee you won’t find an even split of 50:50 vaccinated:unvaccinated in deaths or serious illness. It will likely be closer 82:18 vaccinated:unvaccinated. Which would be a 455% improvement, not 0.7%.
I appreciate you getting back and doing some of the research on your own. Hopefully you can see the point I’m trying to make.
That data is not available, I looked. The closest thing I could find that would allow me to compare apples to apples is cases vs. hospitalizations vs. deaths.
What I do have is a baseline now and I will be charting these percentages as they update. That will give a pretty good idea of the trend.
It is important to keep in mind, as I said earlier, their definition of “unvaccinated” includes those who have not received the shot, those who only received 1 shot, and those who received the second shot within the past 2 weeks. That will skew the results as well.
And actually, to your first point, that is not accurate.
For the vaccinated breakthrough cases, I calculated what percentage of the breakthrough cases were hospitalized and what percentage of the breakthrough cases died.
And the same for “unvaccinated” cases
Looking at whole numbers does not give an accurate picture, as I said, because the data is skewed. Half of the months included in these numbers few vaccinated. Percentages is what matters. Percentage wise, there is very little difference between risk of hospitalizations and deaths between the two groups.
You need to look at unskewed data. Vaccinated have a 10:1 lower chance of catching covid, going to the hospital, and dying. Yes, if you get a bad breakthrough you’re in the same trouble that an unvaccinated would have with a bad case.
The case data is broken down by vaccinated:unvaccinated in this PDF:
https://dph.georgia.gov/document/document/covid-19-among-fully-vaccinated-people-graphic/download
At the bottom of that report is the chart to look at that shows your chance of getting a case of covid. Start there.. and then figure out what percentage go on to be hospitalized and or die. Pretty clear the blue group is MUCH better off than the red group.
And again, I don’t want people (YOU) dying. Maybe you’re strong as an ox or already recovered from covid and you’re fine.. but the over 50 crowd (like me) needs to take this seriously.
I have not seen any data that proves your 10:1 assertion.
First, the epicurve does not show raw numbers and is invalid for any analysis because the red includes “unknown” vaccination status. For all we know the “red group” could be half vaccinated, there’s no way to know.
The curve is also incomplete as it is designed to predict trends and can be off as much as two weeks, the epicurve you referred to shows September 3 total cases as under 6,000. However the actual PCR positive cases that day were 9113. Who are the other 3113? We don’t know anything about them. We also don’t know how many of the “unknowns” were vaxxed.
We could go around in circles all day, because you will try and fit the numbers somehow to what the TPTB are telling you, but they don’t.
If I were you, I’d take a hard look at what is going on in Israel and what real world doctors and nurses you personally know are saying about how many vaccinated people are in the hospital. Hint - it is not what you are hearing in the news. I know what is going on here because I have close friends in healthcare. The percentages bear out what I am being told personally.
He made his choice and is paying the price. Still no reason to gloat over him or anyone else who may die from COVID.
The percentage where the vaccination status was unknown was less than 3% in all studies I’ve looked at.
Yes, you can go around and try to nitpick the data.. but the difference between blue and red is night and day, and yet you’re in the red group hoping your cocktail of vitamins, OTC meds and possibly illicit prescription drugs will keep you safe. Not the best strategy for this pandemic. Did you read the article this post was about? Preacher guy unbelievably thought the vaccine was a bad idea.. and nearly died because of the same bad logical thinking.
What about Israel? Unvaccinated Israelis represent only about 20 percent of the population eligible for a vaccine, but they now constitute half of all serious COVID-19 cases in the country.
Israel had a high early vaccination rate. The vaccines (unfortunately) wear off. A booster should restore immunity back to the higher (90%) levels. If the vaccines were perfect, I’d like that too. But they’re better than your horse paste.
If you show me one source of county wide data that shows a plurality of vaccinated are in the hospital, I’ll make a donation to your favorite charity. But I’d be able to point to dozens of states and counties where the unvaccinated are (obviously) the ones taking up the hospital beds. While the MSM is biased, this is really hard to fake— the numbers are tracked at every level. You can ask for data from your friends telling you the anecdotal stories.
You know in your heart that the vaccinated are doing better staying alive and out of the hospital. You’re just having a hard time making that mental U-Turn.
Buh-bye, Jabby. I'd tell you how I beat COVID for when Delta gives you the inevitable breakthrough and the glass lungs, but... nah. You're too clever for us, noob. You do it your way, Vaxuum: "coughcoughcoughcoughcoughgasponshitcoughcoughcoughcoughbutigotthejabcoughcoughcoughcoughcmonFreepershelpmecoughcoughcoughcoughcough"
LOL.
at the end of february 2012 current president biden disbanded former president trump’s “operation warp speed” and transferred all responsibilities to the “white house covid 19 response team”...
and in the process he opened the border and freely spread hundreds of thousands of disease carrying invaders across our country during a so called “global pandemic”...
that right there is proven data...
why should we trust anything you preach???...
end of february 2021 not 2012...
damn proof reader failed at their job...
You’re not immune to a second round of covid. You have some unknown amount of protection.. You can end up with glass lungs too. But yeah, tell me about the magic horse paste you used, sounds like a good story.
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