Covid: Prior infection vs vaccination

Sebastianrushworth ^ | 24 April 2021 | Sebastian Rushworth MD

[delta7]

This works out to a relative risk reduction 0f 92%. For comparison, the Pfizer vaccine trial reported a reduction of 95%, the Moderna trial reported an reduction of 94%, the Astra-Zeneca trial reported a reduction of 70%, and the Johnson&Johnson trial reported a reduction of 67%.

So, on the face of it, prior infection is equivalent to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in terms of the level of protection offered, and much better than the Astra-Zeneca vaccine and J&J vaccine. In light of this, it seems completely unnecessary for people who have had covid to get the vaccine. In fact, if the goal of governments is to get their populations to herd immunity as quickly as possible, it would make more sense to tell people who have had confirmed covid-19 that they don’t need to get vaccinated. Vaccinating people who have already had covid-19 means delaying vaccination of people who haven’t had it, which means delaying the onset of herd immunity....

[delta7]

Most of us thinkers had this figured out long ago. Many I know are like me, I had a long flu like symptom last Feb, before the Covid flu was ever indentified, lasted three weeks....

[Sacajaweau]

I'm worried about them vaccinating children and killing off any natural immunity that they had.

They should be tested for antibodies...and NOT be vaccinated if they have them. It's valuable info...and they don't want you to know.

[eyeamok]

My Fauci Flu was a mild head cold for 2 days, but wifey was sick for 2 weeks, First week of February 2020, before it was a political fashion statement and we Won’t be getting any experimental anything.

[lowbuck]

“I had a long flu like symptom last Feb, before the Covid flu was ever identified, lasted three weeks..”

Same with me but in January 2020. Lots of friends much younger were sick with the ‘seasonal flu’.

I guess it is a good thing that the MSM/politicians waited to tell us we were doomed to death. s/

[AZJeep]

I had flu like symptoms in 1962, 1975, 1986, 1990 and 2015.
All covid I am sure.

[Oystir]

In this “quoted” section, his conclusions and understanding of the numbers is wrong. It takes a lot of digging to understand the numbers but quoting 90+% and 70+% is not what is really going on or the “effective” rate.

[frog in a pot]

I had a long flu like symptom last Feb, before the Covid flu was ever identified, lasted three weeks....

Precisely my case in early February. It was unlike any of the typical bugs I experienced during my many decades and slightly worse, but less than Valley Fever years ago that dropped me to my knees. Am in good physical shape, took nothing but aspirin, refused to go near family members and it was over in 3 weeks.

Unfortunately, at least for us history buffs, China's observable behavior along with its announced global ambitions, especially with re to the U.S. complicates the matter (along the lines of a Tom Clancy novel with a Biden thrown in the mix).

[politicianslie]

My Fauci Flu was a mild head cold for 2 days, but wifey was sick for 2 weeks, First week of February 2020, before it was a political fashion statement and we Won’t be getting any experimental anything.

NO one needs any experimental jab recommended by a corrupt government.

Either Fraud Fauci OR the HCQ/ivermectin doctors are wrong.

To determine the correct answer, consider Fauci has never treated anyone for C-19. The HCQ doctors have treated THOUSANDS successfully and their drug cocktail now is almost 100% successful in keeping people out of the hospital where Fauci's AMA medical crowd is still people in the morgue and ICU.

The treatment/preventative doses they use are in this article. Spend a few $$ for prevention, same if you have to treat C-19. OR you can try Fauci's crap shoot of no treatment until the ER/ICU. The key is EARLY TREATMENT which is defined in the first five days of symptoms.

ARTICLE Doctors share treatment/prevention doses using common, over the counter supplements

Over the counter prevention:

Elemental Zinc 25 mg once a day

Vitamin D 4000 iu once a day

Vitamin C 1000 mg once a day

Quercetin 500 mg once a day

If Quercetin is unavailable, then use Epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG) 400mg once a day

Dr. Fareed also included Dr. Zelenko’s (Twitter: @zev_dr) COVID-19 Prophylaxis Protocol:

Prophylaxis is an action taken to prevent or protect against a specified disease. Greek in origin, from the word "phylax", meaning "to guard" and "watching."

When my symptoms started, I ignored Fraud Fauci and saw one of these doctors. 12 hours after starting treatment, my chest congestion started improving and 2 days later, my smell and taste returned. I had to drive four hours to get an appointment but now these doctors are doing telecons to give a prescription.

[mrsmith]

VERY reasonable and helpful article!
“Wild” infections are a significant factor in “herd” immunity.
His suggestion to concentrate on vaxxing uninfected is reasonable. Though now “wild” immunity gained last year may be fading.
The problem is finding out if one has indeed been previously infected. In my experience that is problematic in the US (making appointments require you to present a lot of personal data), though the UK may make it easier.

Wish the study had also looked at “severe” infections.

[Grampa Dave]

Ok, let’s get to the results.

Over the course of 2,047,113 days of follow-up in the covid positive group, there were 78 cases of symptomatic covid-19 (by which we mean a positive test + at least one symptom).

Over the course of 2,971,436 days of follow-up in the covid negative group, there were 1,369 cases of symptomatic covid-19.

This works out to a relative risk reduction of 92%. For comparison, the Pfizer vaccine trial reported a reduction of 95%, the Moderna trial reported an reduction of 94%, the Astra-Zeneca trial reported a reduction of 70%, and the Johnson&Johnson trial reported a reduction of 67%.

So, on the face of it, prior infection is equivalent to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in terms of the level of protection offered, and much better than the Astra-Zeneca vaccine and J&J vaccine. In light of this, it seems completely unnecessary for people who have had covid to get the vaccine.

In fact, if the goal of governments is to get their populations to herd immunity as quickly as possible, it would make more sense to tell people who have had confirmed covid-19 that they don’t need to get vaccinated.

Vaccinating people who have already had covid-19 means delaying vaccination of people who haven’t had it, which means delaying the onset of herd immunity.

[mewzilla]

This could explain why antibody studies aren’t being conducted nationwide.

Or, if they are, why were not hearing about them.

[absalom01]

His math is correct as stated. But since he's basing his discussion on the Lancet paper, he shouldn't be crunching the numbers by his lonesome.

Per the paper "A previous history of SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with an 84% lower risk of infection, with median protective effect observed 7 months following primary infection. This time period is the minimum probable effect because seroconversions were not included. This study shows that previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces effective immunity to future infections in most individuals."

There are reasons to continue to put some error bars on the "effectiveness" (ie, the relative risk reduction), but there is good reason to believe that the Lancet's reporting on the substance is correct. Given the data to date, previous infection and vaccination yield similar resistance to subsequent infection.

This is good news, btw.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“ Though now “wild” immunity gained last year may be fading.”

Doubtful.

T cell protection lasts. In any population in the entire world, I’ve not read of more than 20% (and usually less) getting the covid.

Even among the Diamond Princess cruise ship, less than 20% were infected.

I think people with T cell immunity are barely affected.

But it “perfects” their immunity to this covid virus, and spreads herd immunity.

[elpadre]

“.. it seems completely unnecessary for people who have had covid to get the vaccine....”

I have read the same thing in other scientific articles. Also, it is said those who have had the virus should definitely not be vaccinated as those who have had complications from the jab are often those who have already had covids.

[Grampa Dave]

“Most of us thinkers had this figured out long ago. Many I know are like me, I had a long flu like symptom last Feb, before the Covid flu was ever identified, lasted three weeks....”

I probably got the ChiCom flu in late November before the fecal matter hit the fan.

At our family Thanksgiving, I probably passed this blessing on to a 50 something son. He then had it for about 4 weeks and one of us passed it on my 19 year grand son/his nephew. The grand kid was barely sick for about a week. The 50 year old lost about 35 pounds and missed more work in a month than he had in 15 years working at his job.

None of our women folk were blessed with this critter.

Both my son and I had similar symptoms: Zero energy, no sense of smell or taste/no real hunger, basic brain shutdown re recall and ability to do simple tasks. I had blood in my urine and he didn’t. Both of us had lower GI tract problems.

That son and I belong to the same big PPO. That PPO spent a fortune on me without even a guess to what I had. That son goes to the same PPO and sees the same doctor that I see.

Our son asked our Doctor what he had. The doctor said, “Probably the same thing your Dad had, and we don’t know what either of you had!”

Both of us got hammered with our Covid vaccinations re side effects. His hammering was worse than mine. Interesting, the hammering came after our first shot. I got the Pfizer shot and he got the Moderna.

I got the Covid arm rash/breakout that lasted 2-3 days and then it went away. A friend, 3 years older got what appeared to be shingles on his belly post vaccination. His wife took pictures and sent them to our PPO. By the time he got to the clinic, few days later, the rash had disappeared. Since then, there have been some reported shingles, post vaccine. Maybe, if you have the Shingles vaccine, the rash/shingles just goes away.

[monkeyshine]

According to the Red Cross, 20% of non-vaccinated people who donated blood in March showed the presence of covid antibodies. Meaning, roughly 20% of people have been infected assuming that blood donors are a broad spectrum of the population.

So with 20% already infected and close to 50% getting a vaccine we are near 70%. All assuming of course that mutants don’t rise up and that the vaccines actually confer long term “immunity” (reduction in relative risk).

[Manuel OKelley]

agree completely.

2 doctors have told me not to take any of the vaccines, and that despite not having antibodies they are both fairly certain the 60 hours I spent last January sick as a dog was covid that my immune system dealt with rapidly and effectively.

[Oystir]

Thank you. I think you are right. I could also have been clearer. Using the quoted numbers people see one Vac at about 95% and another at about 70. People are misreading these numbers to believe a Vac is about 20+% more effective than another. It’s not true. The numbers are actually quite close from what I have read in medical journals.

[Uncle Miltie]

Same for me.

Lasted a full month.

Fever. Cough. Aches. Chills.

Long recovery.

I’m not taking any vaccine .... yet.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Glad you pulled through it!
My bride and I both had it a year ago March.
3 days of mild symptoms. I’ve had worse colds.

My two most trusted doctors told me not to take it - that there will be long-term consequences.