Posted on 05/05/2021 6:18:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
I bet Protestant schools do too.
Catholic schools MUST be racist. Gov gonna have to shut that stuff down🤣🤣🤣 /s
In Rochester NY, a Dem stronghold, the high school graduation rate in the very BEST high school is about 45%. I won't tell you the demographics. Absolutely disgusting. This was my hometown.
Any school beats public (government run) schools.....period,
also stunning news: Rain is wet.
Nuns take a lot of abuse in the popular culture. Yet if you attened Catholic schools back in the day by the time you finished the 8th grade, whoever you were, you were able to read, write, do arithmetic and knew right from wrong. Good to see that at least some of that tradition continues.
I see that where I live. The local Catholic school consistently beats all the public schools in standardized test scores - even the one near the university that the children of faculty/staff are more likely to attend. Part of the success I presume is parental dedication.
Private schools can get rid of chronically disruptive students. Public schools do not have that luxury.
That does not completely explain the difference in scores, of course. But it is big part of the explanation. Nevertheless I won’t let public schools off the hook. Public schools CAN develop ways to deal with chronically disruptive students. But that would take a measure of courage, something that most public school administrators just don’t have.
go figgur
Is anyone surprised?
Let’s not be dolts... private schools get to choose their pupils, not everyone gets in. The children have parents who care and want to pay for education, because its important to them. So already they are culturally different. It’s apples and oranges, one of my kids went to private school the second transferred to public school in third grade. Because I’m a parent who cares about education, my daughter got a better public school education than my son who went to private schools. My daughter graduated with 10 AP exams and had enough credits to begin her junior year at the beginning of University.
Yes, I can attest to that. I was taught for 12 years by Franciscans. They were so dedicated. (These days, the order is dying, which is just as well considering what they have become.
Sadly, though, we have no teaching orders left.
Taxpayers pick up the full cost of the public schools.
The local Catholic school that my daughters attended was 98 percent tuition funded. There was a nominal payment from the four sponsoring parishes for students enrolled in that parish, but it didn't amount to much. (In addition, a lot of the students weren't Catholic, and the non-Catholics didn't get the parish bump.) And of course, there were efforts to scholarship low income kids. That was about it for non-tuition funding. This is typical for private schools, secular and non-Catholic as well as Catholic. The notion that such schools have big endowments is mostly nonsense. A very few elite schools may have endowments, but they are outliers. The funding is overwhelmingly tuition, supplemented by whatever parents can raise through the incessant fundraising campaigns.
There are many excellent public schools. These are generally found in upscale jurisdictions that are insulated from SES problems by zip code and mortgage payment. They are also often found in small towns and rural areas with reasonably solid demographics. A town with one high school is apt to have a solid public school system, because when everyone's kids go to the same school, the community leaders will make sure that it adequately serves their own children. That doesn't mean the schools will be great, but at least some academic and disciplinary standards will be maintained.
That said ... the national NAEP figures are an important starting point, but they don't get to the crux of the problem, which is rooted in housing patterns. Housing is largely stratified geographically by price. Areas with large concentrations of very low-income people tend to have a lengthy list of correlated problems. Some of these have to do with the academic potential and performance of the kids. Show me a school dominated by kids being raised by single moms in Section 8 housing or the projects, and I'll show you a school to which no middle class parent would send a child. The national NAEP averages mask the worst of the problem cases, but these are the schools that have caused the meltdown of urban public education in so many cities. They are also the schools that drive the demand for private schools in mixed-income and gentrifying areas.
Having had my kids in both private school and public school, from my experience the curricula are quite a bit different too. A lot more is demanded of the private school students. When we had to make the decision to go public, our kids found public schools way more easy and a lot less demanding than the private school. One is now heading off to Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University this fall and the other is at bootcamp in the USMC.
> Let’s not be dolts... private schools get to choose their pupils, not everyone gets in. <
Bingo. I taught for a number of years at a blue-ribbon private school. Great kids and great administrators...but lousy pay. Anyway, if a student disrupted a class, he got one warning. If it happened again, he was gone. Not for the day, but forever.
Later on I taught in an urban public high school. I’d match my honors class kids there against any kid from any private school.
But the mainstream class kids...those kids are the real victims here. Even one disruptive student in those classes could stop any learning (oh, the stories I could tell you). And as I noted in my post #9, most of the administrators were too cowardly to take action to correct the problem.
Public schools segragate continually disruptive students in special schools......Alternative HS etc....
Not a factor especially in the lower grades.....
I was not happy about that, but I learned reading and math.
My daughter attended suburban New Jersey public schools and her education was fine. Lots of gifted/talented and AP courses.
It depends on the school system and who is doing the educating.
> Public schools segragate continually disruptive students in special schools......Alternative HS etc.... <
Not any more, at least from my experience. The urban school district where I taught did away with that practice maybe 25 years ago. Too many parents complained that the “rights” of their disruptive kids were being violated. So now those kids remain in mainstream classes, free to disrupt learning whenever they feel like it.
And when the bad scores come in, the teachers get all the blame. I know of one school where the principal simply fired all the untenured teachers in the school after the scores were announced. That was his “solution” to the problem. (A friend of mine was one of the fired teachers.)
Oh, and out-of-school suspensions are being minimized too. Principals are now being graded on the number of suspensions they hand out. So if you’re a principal and you want to keep your job, you had better not be suspending very many kids.
> Not a factor especially in the lower grades..... <
Sadly, it is. I have friends who teach elementary school. A good potion of their time is spent not teaching, but trying to control the one or two kids who would rather run around the room than sit down and listen. And these kids are, by and large, not emotionally disturbed! They’re just doing things they know they can get away with.
The whole mess is maddening.
Catholics shouldn’t crow about how much BETTER they are at teaching but cry over how BADLY the rest of the kids are being taught!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.