Posted on 03/03/2021 12:33:03 PM PST by rxsid
Mike Pence Breaks His Silence on Election
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Too little too late… we don’t want to hear it…
Former Vice President Pence on Wednesday criticized the 2020 election in his his first extended written comments since leaving office in January.
Pence said there were “significant voting irregularities” and “numerous instances of officials setting aside state election law” in the 2020 presidential election.
The remarks were offered by Pence in an op-ed published by the Daily Signal, a publication run by the conservative Heritage Foundation. The context was an attack on H.R. 1, a voting rights bill the House is expected to pass on Wednesday, that Pence said would “increase opportunities for election fraud.”
" “Many of the most troubling voting irregularities took place in states that set aside laws enacted by state legislatures in favor of sweeping changes ordered by governors, secretaries of state, and courts.”“While legislators in many states have begun work on election reform to restore public confidence in state elections, unfortunately, congressional Democrats have chosen to sweep those valid concerns and reforms aside and to push forward a brazen attempt to nationalize elections in blatant disregard of the U.S. Constitution.”
As others on this thread have asserted without merit and in contradiction of the fact that the Constitution specifies the Vice President. It is this specificity that shows it is not a meaningless role. It could have merely said "the votes shall be opened and counted" without calling for it to be done by the Vice President.
Your point would be correct if it had said that anyone could open and count them, but by making it a duty of the Vice President it demonstrates that the man has authority over how things will proceed; That it cannot be done without him, or his consent.
Watch what happens when Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer seize this opportunity to nationalize our elections and take the election proceedings out of the hands of state legislatures -- you know, to "fix things."
Already happening, thanks to that bastard piece of sh*t Mike Pence.
Governor would not allow a special session and they couldn't legally call one themselves without a huge majority. You can't blame them for bullsh*t that was out of their control.
Had Pence done what was morally and legally correct, we would not have to be worrying about a VP Kamala.
Some of these states had republican legislatures. That was the place to remedy vote cheating
That process was being done........it was interrupted by Q Followers being led by Antifa infiltrators to enter the Capitol by smashing windows and doors down.
Q Followers are to blame for the Objects ceasing.
You must have been napping during that part of the day.......
Nonsense. You must have been “napping” the past four years while the GOP Senate fully supported the bipartisan coup. Are Q-balls at fault for the years of lies from Graham, etc.? The GOP never intended to substantively intervene in the election in support of Trump. Period.
Too late mike- you had your chance. And you blew it.
Go away.
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.
1. The VP is acting as the President of the Senate in this role.
2. He opens the certificates submitted by the states.
3. The electoral votes are then counted.
Now that this has all been laid out for you, will you please tell me where any of this says the Vice President can decide NOT to count some of the electoral votes that have been certified by the states before this joint session of Congress is held?
Let's keep in mind that the 12th Amendment was ratified before 1805. Provisions of the Constitution from those days have much more of a focus on some formal procedures that may seem archaic by modern standards. There was no FedEx or UPS back then, no motorized travel, no modern communications or television, and no certified U.S. mail for delivering the "certificates" described here. These certificates had to be delivered by hand, and for some states it would take days -- if not several weeks -- for the delivery to be completed.
The process laid out here was not designed to be ceremonial, but it has effectively become largely ceremonial because modern electronic communications has eliminated a lot of the uncertainties in the process that the governing bodies of the U.S. government had to deal with back then.
You might be in a tiny minority here but you are 100% correct. I don’t understand why so many people here on FR refuse to hold the legislatures of those states responsible for that 2020 election fiasco.
That is because to focus on the Senate proceeding is dissembling and gaslighting Pence’s role in the stolen election.
There many things Pence could have done to stop the steal in the TWO MONTHS before that electoral charade in the Senate. He did literally none of them.
I find it quite disturbing that Pompeo was on the GA leaked phone call and Pence was not. He want AWOL of his own choosing and now those chickens are coming home to roost.
Anyone who has paid close attention to Donald Trump over the last four years would understand how he works.
When dealing with candidates for public office, the one consideration for him above all others is: Will this candidate win?
Trump will endorse a RINO who he sees as a winner over a MAGA candidate who is a loser. That's the way he's operated all along.
He even demonstrated this in the GOP primary in the Alabama race for U.S. Senate last year. There's no way in hell he wanted Jeff Sessions to win that primary, but he was pretty much silent about the race through most of the primary season. He only came out and publicly endorsed Tommy Tuberville when a poll late in the primary campaign showed him with a large lead over Sessions.
Yep
hurts still but, still a yep...
Why does it say this if his role is as you say that of a "rubber stamp"? If it's all formal and ritualistic, it does not need a Vice President to do it. Anyone could do it, but the Founders specified it be done by the Vice President.
Why did they do this? I say they did this because they were relying on him to be another safeguard from blatant abuse of the system. He was to serve as the "reasonable man" to keep things legitimate.
No, I read the article as the President of the Senate opens the certificates.
Which is a synonym for "Vice President", and which overlooks the obvious point of requiring it to be the Vice President.
From whence does this word "President" derive? Does it not come from "Preside-ent"? Meaning one who "Presides"?
What does "Presiding" consist of? Does this imply no power, just a machine process when you turn a crank or something?
I think the word "Preside" conveys a power of control, and not merely that of a rubber stamp in a ritualistic process.
The VP doesn't decide which votes matter.
I say he does, in the same manner Nancy Pelosi controls what happens in the house. If she refuses to advance legislation, it does not advance.
If the Vice President, during the exercise of his constitutionally stipulated powers, refuses to advance the process, it does not advance.
I think in Arizona it was too many McCain style Republicans.
Typical conservative - see the problem, but do nothing about it for fear of seeming radical or mean.
The Trump and MAGA hating GOP Senate played political hot potato with the Trump hating GOP legislatures to run out the clock and get rid of Trump to get the swamp back in business.
Now their useful idiot “constitutionalists” carry water for them while they are busy stuffing their pockets with Chicom sourced lobbyist cash.
He admits there were “voting irregularities” and that the state courts and executive branches went outside their authority....yet didn’t feel it necessary to stop the counting and send the disputed E.C. votes back to the states.
He knows the SC outed his negligence by refusing to hear the cases in essence citing that it belongs in the legislature which he could have taken a position on...
There are two sides to every issue. Why is it always the case that the GOPee always gets the losing side? And that cowardly conservatives always accept such nonsense? The USSC decision to refuse to hear the Texas case wasn’t unanimous. There were three justices who believed the case had merit. Why couldn’t the other “conservative” justices agree with the reasoning of their supposed colleagues? These situations happen an awful lot. The truth is there were constitutional scholars who believed that Pence was completely within his duty to refuse to accept the fraudulent electors and send it back to the state legislatures. Why should we just accept the view that he couldn’t? Why couldn’t Pence have done tgat and let the chips fall where they may? As it is now, because the electoral fraud was certified with GOPee complicity there will never be another legitimate election in this country again. We have just witnesses the end of the 245 year old Constitutional Republic. The members of the GOPee at the state and national levels who let this happen are beneath contempt, from the USSC judges to the GOPee state legislators to the Congressmapen and Senators to Pence himself. Eff all of them! GOPee Delenda Est!
My opinion is that he could of said unless directed from the supream court to certify the election at this point I cant certify becouse of irregularities in the election
and the supreme court could have simply stated the state legislatures must investigate all claims and then certify....
I am not arguing with the US Constitution, I am arguing with you. Your interpretation of it is incorrect in my understanding of the intent, and therefore my argument is with you, not it.
The VP has never had control over which votes to count.
The Constitution says he is required, therefore he has "control."
"Gore would have simply refused to count and Bush votes in 2000. Suddenly Gore is president by unanimous vote?"
I believe the founders always intended the public to be the final check on abuses by government officials, and therefore they never expected any Vice President to make a fuss except during exceptional circumstances, because whatever decision he made would have to be accepted by the public in the long run.
So your analogy does not hold. Gore would have been publicly excoriated had he tried such a stunt.
It seems to be a skillset he lacks. Hopefully he works on t over the next 4 years and gets the right team in place when he wins the prez election of 2024. Otherwise, we’re back to teeth pulling.
Jay Sekulow earned the AG slot, perhaps even Chief of Staff. De Vos earned Sec of Education. General Kelly earned a slot. Steve Bannon deserves a lesser slot, because he kinda went off the deep end with his leaks. Don Jr. might deserve some minor slot, if it’s legal. Palin deserves Sec of Interior or VP.
I have no use for this toady (learned that word when I was a freshman in high school reading the assigned Great Expectations.)
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