COVID-19 Vaccinations in the United States (8 Feb, as of 06:00 AM ET)

CDC ^ | 8 Feb 2021 | CDC

[firebrand]

weight = weigh

[Grampa Dave]

We got the Pfizer shots.

My 81 year old bride was little sore at the injection shot for a couple of days and no other adverse effects.

I basically had no pain at the injection site from injection on.

I felt a little dizzy for a few short times over 2 days. That went away with no adverse effects. My wife said that I didn’t have enough coffee to meet my daily dose and maybe light on food intake. It could have been allergies due to warm weather and everything being green or blooming.

We have several friends our age or older, and they like my wife basically no or minimal injection pain. Some are into their second shots and no problems.

[firebrand]

Those who think of the disease in terms of the chances of dying from the vaccine are looking at in a personal and fearful way. Their question is "What should you be more afraid of, the disease or the vaccine?" The answer is: You shouldn't be afraid of either one.

The clue to ending this epidemic is to think coldly and objectively in public-health terms.

The warm feelings I have for the victims and families are behind that statement, so please don't start picking on the word "coldly" but take what I wrote seriously.

We're in a war. Pretend you're a general.

[Grampa Dave]

“I’m 58 and very healthy.”

Our oldest son falls into your age group and his wife is about the same age .”

They are not going to get the injections as they are very healthy. She is never sick and teaches jazzercize classes as well as managing a small women’s clothing. Unless the college makes their son take them (on line so far), he will not take them. Their daughter will be graduated in a few months as an RN. Since last summer she has worked in an ICU back east. She will not be taking the shot. The doctors and RNs, she respects and works with, are not planning to take the shots.

So you are in their healthy and “I ain’t getting any shots” group.

If I was your age and healthy, I would not take them.

[Jane Long]

Praying for continued good health, to you both!

[Grampa Dave]

Back to you.

Prayer is probably the most effective weapon we have.

[MarMema]

“COVID-19 is not just hazardous for elderly people, it is extremely dangerous for people in their mid-fifties, sixties and seventies,” says Andrew Levin, an economist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, who has estimated that getting COVID-19 is more than 50 times more likely to be fatal for a 60-year-old than is driving a car.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2

[Grampa Dave]

The coronavirus is most deadly if you are older and male — new data reveal the risks

A slew of detailed studies has now quantified the increased risk the virus poses to older people, men, and other groups.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2

[SheepWhisperer]

I respect each person’s personal decision on those matter
In this, I sincerely respect your decisions.

I wonder what my dad would choose, were he here, and what I would say to him.

I believe, but can only guess, that I might encourage him to avoid it, with the assurance that I would shield him from possible infection.

I simply can’t say though

What I can do is reiterate that I completely reject your decision. I am concerned that my right to decide for myself might be removed through government, or corporate mandate. This would be a real problem

[BluH2o]

Got my second Moderna Covid-19 shot this AM. Arrived about 10 minutes before our appointment … process was wrapped up in less than 45 minutes … part of that time wasted BS'ing with neighbors, my wife likes to connect with people. Me … not so much.
At this point it feels much like my first shot … some mild arm discomfort ... nothing else.

[bjc]

You have correctly transcribed the CDC numbers. It is their numbers I do not understand.

The CDC says (I added the letters):
A Total Doses Delivered
59,307,800
B Total Doses Administered
42,417,617
C Number of People Receiving 1 or More Doses
32,340,146
D Number of People Receiving 2 Doses
9,518,015

Assuming a simple error in phrasing and C and D are independent sets:
B = C + D, but it obviously does not. It equals 41,858,161 and not 42,417,617 a discrepancy of 550,000 doses!!
Whereas as stated D should be a subset of C, that simply increases the discrepancies in the Doses “Administered”. The wording also suggests that for some reason people are receiving more than 2 doses.

These errors in logic and arithmetic are egregious and should have been caught or explained.

[BeauBo]

A lot of people have no symptoms after their second shot - especially folks who are under retirement age.

Out of those who do feel poorly after one of these vaccines though, most report it occurring after the second shot - just feeling lousy, flu-like aches, chills, weakness, etc..

They say it’s a sign that immunity has developed, so there is a bigger fight marshaled when the second challenge comes. For most however, the immune system is so strong, that there is not so much of a fight, as a sudden slap down to the second challenge. A shrinking thymus gland, and declining immune response are hallmarks of general aging, so the older folks are, the more likely to feel under the weather from the second shot.

Out of those far fewer who have a serious reaction (like anaphylaxis) that seems to mostly show up with the first dose.

If you get through tomorrow without symptoms, you are pretty likely home free. If you do feel poorly, it should pass in a few hours, or after another good night’s sleep.

[BeauBo]

I think that the discrepancies that you highlight in the CDC reporting, are likely due to imperfections in the reports they receive. Garbage in, garbage out.

So many people are in the chain, that human errors accumulate. There is some noise, along with the signal.

Although it’s not perfect, it’s still a pretty good estimation, for tracking and managing.

[bjc]

I disagree. No self-respecting data person would do that without an explanation. I saw none at the CDC site.
In addition, who is getting more than two shots and why?

[BeauBo]

There is going to be some error rate in reporting, as long as people are involved.

So many people are involved, we are going to have some new people just learning the system, some old people forgetting things, some people with alcohol or drugs in them, some tired and overworked people, etc..

Rather than people getting a third shot, I suspect that the difference between doses administered, and the total of first and second doses, might be largely from those reports where they failed to specify which it was (a first or second). We see that when they break out how many of each vaccine was used: Pfizer, Moderna, Not Specified.

[Grampa Dave]

Your comments below get into the irony of my wife and making a decision in our 80’s and catching hell from someone who is more concerned about being forced into getting a vaccine than us protecting our selves and wanting to be with our family.

So in your own words, “What I can do is reiterate that I completely reject your decision.”

[SheepWhisperer]

Reject was a typo...sb “respect”

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks!

Have the mods pull your reply via the abuse button.

[SheepWhisperer]

“Have the mods pull your reply via the abuse button.”

Absolutely NOT.
On principle alone I won’t do that!

FIRST...reading comprehension is your friend.
Read my post again...first two sentences of my post 84 here for you to read again and again...

“I respect each person’s personal decision on those matter
In this, I sincerely respect your decisions....”

So how much more clear should I have been for you here Dave, for you to not get it that despite one word was a typo further into my post? ...which I politely corrected.

SECOND...now you demand that I cancel my posts because of your reading compensation failure?

ON PRINCIPLE ALONE will leave my post as it stands, typo and all. Why? Because even if I didn’t respect your personal decision to take the vax, I would be entirely permitted to say so in this forum, without you determining which speech is cancelled here.

You’re getting a little bossy old man.
...and you’re losing my “reject” with that stupid demand.

While you’re all high on your horse, maybe you should get together a posse of like minded pro vax, easily offended freepers and get my account banned fercyinoutloud.

Good luck and have fun with that too sir.