Posted on 12/17/2020 6:31:11 PM PST by george76
the comparison to the 1918–19 flu was always ludicrous, based not on science but primal fear.
Well, it’s happened again. And this time the klaxon-ringer is .. Fauci.
Fauci’s advice and counsel during the coronavirus pandemic has been “uneven,” to say the least... he’s never been particularly reliable. In 1983, he made a huge splash .. stating that AIDS could be transmissible through casual contact. Fauci repeated the pattern during successive disease panics, such as when he declared 16 years ago that we’re “due” for “massive person-to-person” spread of Avian flu H5N1.
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More recently, Fauci sounded the threat of the Zika virus, demanding billions more in taxpayer funds. It barely touched two U.S. states before burning out on its own.
As to his Spanish flu comparison .. “If you look at the magnitude of the 1918 pandemic where anywhere from 50 to 75 to 100 million people globally died (325 to 430 million adjusted to today’s population), that was the mother of all pandemics and truly historic. I hope we don’t even approach that with this, but it does have the makings of, the possibility of … approaching that in seriousness.”
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We already know that COVID-19 has a far lower mortality rate than even lesser 20th-century flu pandemics. The CDC’s “best estimate” is around 0.26 percent. That compares to about 0.67 percent for the “Asian flu” of 1957–58, which in turn was vastly milder than Spanish flu.
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And this is rather important: There were no antibiotics in 1918–19, and, as one medical journal paper put it, “The majority of deaths in the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria.” The chief researcher for that paper?
Dr. Anthony Fauci.
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
When you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail.
bttt
I have developed a potentially very bad habit. But maybe it’s actually a very good habit.
Here is what I do when I read the title of an FR post and I come to the word FAUCI.
I stop reading the article title and move on to the next article.
Waiting for the Fauci Thanksgiving surge. Waiting. Waiting.
Fauci=deep state QUACK! And a little hypocritical, constipated rabbit turd.
It’s pretty retarded to compare global deaths between the Spanish Flu and CCP-19. In the first place, as the article points out, there were no antibiotics, and modern medicine, as we know it today, was a century less mature in the US and way, way less advanced in most of the rest of the world - where the bulk of the deaths occurred. So we’re comparing medical technology that varied from 100 years less advanced to centuries or even millennia less advanced.
The only legitimate comparison is between the US 100 years ago and the US now - basically, the only place that had modern medicine (of the respective eras) and decent statistics gathering.
In 1918 there were some 675,000 deaths from Spanish Flu over the 26 month duration of the pandemic in the US. That comes out to be 854 deaths per day, average. Keep in mind that there was a huge spike in October 1918 where a very large hunk of the deaths occurred, so the average deaths per day most of the time was much lower than that 854 count. And that number includes all the “normal” flu deaths as they could not distinguish between flu strains at that time. Normal flu deaths for the first six months of the Spanish Flu pandemic accounted for some 90% of the total based on prior year statistics.
In 2020, since the first US death, we’ve had over 300,000 deaths in the US. We are regularly breaking the 3,000 mark and the daily average is well over 1,000. And contrary to the claims that every death is attributed to CCP-19, we can tell the difference, now, and most non-CCP-19 deaths are not being misattributed. So, given that we have 100 years of medical advances, antibiotics, and the ability to distinguish between various ILIs, even with a population that is triple what we had in 1918 we are still seeing a proportionately higher death rate at the moment. Anything more than 2560 deaths in a day is “worse” than the Spanish Flu, and anything less than that number is “better” than the Spanish Flu. With 100 years better medicine.
And the claim that it’s really the pneumonia that killed people that died from Spanish Flu is disingenuous because that’s what kills you from CCP-19 and most other communicable diseases - opportunistic infections. It’s ridiculous to claim that Spanish Flu was so bad because you’d get pneumonia and die and at the same time claim that CCP-19 is not so bad because you would die from some comorbidity rather than the CCP-19 virus by itself. (How can people not see the hypocrisy?)
CCP-19 is real. Denying it will kill people that don’t have to die. Making ludicrous claims about conspiracies and abusing statistics to support those claims is just manifest denial and a crippling level of normalcy bias.
One thing we can say is this year has been anything but normal. Get used to it. It’s likely to get worse before it gets better. Especially with the same folks that insist it’s a hoax so they refuse to mask and who think they are getting a nanochip implanted with the vaccination - “proud spreaders” one and all.
Fauci has been using the 1918 pandemic as a guide. But it should not be. They didn't have the facilities or meds available today.
I have to go back and see if they had lockdowns of WELL people.
As far as I can see, Fauci makes up a playbook to come up with statistics. We're his lab rats in all this.
The it’s going to get worse because people refuse to wear a mask is a canard. Almost everyone has been wearing a mask for months
.....”Here is what I do when I read the title of an FR post and I come to the word FAUCI....I stop reading the article title and move on to the next article”.....
I’m doing that with a lot of articles on FR anymore.
From very early in this pandemic I have thought it was a scientist’s dream to be able to put into practice what, until now, they’ve only been able to do in research papers and computer simulations. The fact that there was a Bill Gates / Johns Hopkins sponsored simulation meeting about a worldwide pandemic held in New York City in the fall of 2019 is also very suspicious.
......”It’s likely to get worse before it gets better. Especially with the same folks that insist it’s a hoax so they refuse to mask”......
Well you really can’t blame people for not wanting to wear a mask. Doing so hasn’t changed the fact Governors are closing things down again and the virus spreads regardless, and apparently worse than the first round. And it’s all debatable what is what regarding this virus and masks.
Fauci has the credentials but he’s about as much of a scientist as Bill Nye when it comes to knowledge of the subject.
That is utterly false. It is the cytokine storm that causes filling of the lungs with fluid that kills most of those who die directly from Covid-19. An immune system over response. They are dying before secondary infections even have a chance to get going.
Keep in mind that there was a huge spike in October 1918 where a very large hunk of the deaths occurred, so the average deaths per day most of the time was much lower than that 854 count.
You have just demonstrated that your understanding of statistics is nil.
And that number includes all the “normal” flu deaths as they could not distinguish between flu strains at that time. Normal flu deaths for the first six months of the Spanish Flu pandemic accounted for some 90% of the total based on prior year statistics.
Now explain why we're not having any reported influenza cases this year which means that the usual 34k to 63k deaths by influenza per year will not be going in the records for the '20-'21 flu season.
He didn’t say what year.
Since this COVID-19 virus first showed up in the news back in early 2020; and through endless government-mandated shutdowns of schools, businesses, etc., the New York City subway system — arguably the worst public place on the planet for exposure to viral and bacterial pathogens — HAS NEVER STOPPED RUNNING.
Just think about that the next time some government asshole gets on TV and tells you to spend Christmas away from your family and wear a mask even when you are outdoors alone without anyone closer than a hundred yards away from you.
Here is the truth about the so-called Spanish Flu:
Japan also never shut down it’s subway nor closed or locked down it’s.society. They have one third the population of the whole United States at a gross population density that rivals Manhattan island over hundreds of square miles. The whole COUNTRY of Japan has less cases and deaths than just New York City ask yourself why? I will tell you why the Japanese wear masks religiously everywhere all the time by everyone. Sorry antimask fools Japan is proof positive that universal and compulsory mask compliance works. The math and numerical results are simply undeniable. Japan also forcibly quarantine every contact of a positive case no matter how brief that contact is. Passing someone at a store I enough to be quarantine for 14 days they use GPS cellphone data to make the connections and then lock down any exposed. Again it’s absolutely undeniable that it is working for them. Let me repeat a country with 130+ million people at NYC density has less total cases that one major American city and under 5000 total.deaths in the whole country. The difference is masks and forced quarantine. Sorry that’s just cold hard fact proven by numbers not politics nor emotions.
Fauci knew day one the value of zinc plus an ionophore. He should have made sure it was available to everyone. Instead the treatment was demonized, even forbidden.
He wanted people to die and promote the hysterical fear.
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