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Judges Toss Challenge of Trump Memo to Exclude Undocumented Immigrants from Census Count
MSN ^ | 27 Nov 2020 | Colin Kalmbacher

Posted on 11/27/2020 6:01:37 PM PST by blueplum

A three-judge district court in Washington, D.C. recently dismissed one of many challenges to President Donald Trump’s controversial executive order that aims to exclude undocumented immigrants from the U.S. Census-based congressional apportionment process. And the decision may serve as a lodestar for the U.S. Supreme Court as they decide a similar case in the coming days and weeks....

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: census; christophercooper; christopherrcooper; dabneyfriedrich; dabneylfriedrich; dccircuit; dcdistrict; districtcourts; federalistsociety; gregorygkatsas; gregorykatsas; illegalaliens; itsthekatsas; judiciary; politicaljudiciary; scotus
SCOTUS to hear a similar NY case on Nov 30.
1 posted on 11/27/2020 6:01:37 PM PST by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Piece on California at risk for 3 congresscritters in a thinly disguised fluff piece on CA’s corrupt Becerra that poses the obstacle - how do you prove who’s legal in an uncooperative environment?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-does-california-have-to-lose-if-undocumented-immigrants-are-excluded-from-the-census/ar-BB1bosNX?ocid=msedgntp


2 posted on 11/27/2020 6:06:11 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: blueplum

The Constitution does not explicitly address this. I doubt they could persuade all five of the conservatives to affirm the executive order.


3 posted on 11/27/2020 6:08:20 PM PST by lasereye
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To: blueplum

Yeah. Let’s let everyone in the world vote for the president of the U.S. of A. What could go wrong

Yeah. Let’s let everyone in the world vote for the president of the U.S. of A. What could go wrong?


4 posted on 11/27/2020 6:09:30 PM PST by Theophilous Meatyard III
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To: lasereye

“The Constitution does not explicitly address this.”

Do you think we should count everyone in Mexico? World travelers? Foreign students?

No, we should only count legal residents.


5 posted on 11/27/2020 6:14:21 PM PST by Beagle8U ("Chris Wallace comes from the shallow end of the press pool.")
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To: Beagle8U

Only count CITIZENS. No one else technically has full rights, and therefore is not entitled to Congressional representation.


6 posted on 11/27/2020 6:20:02 PM PST by datura (If you have to cheat, you didn't’ win.)
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To: blueplum

Impeachment is already a precedent. Run with it (against the Bidens’ corruption).


7 posted on 11/27/2020 6:20:27 PM PST by Theophilous Meatyard III
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To: blueplum
This is a weird one - Gregory Katsas [Trump judge, DC Circuit] and Dabney Friedrich [Trump judge, DC District] vs Christopher Cooper [Odiousbama judge, DC District].

Federalist Society for The Win!

8 posted on 11/27/2020 6:20:38 PM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: blueplum

They ought to exclude illegal aliens. They already exclude visitors and diplomats and non-resident LEGAL aliens. Why should those here ILLEGALLY receive their own representives in the US Congress?


9 posted on 11/27/2020 6:21:14 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (If the meanings in the Constitution can change, why did they bother writing it down?)
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To: blueplum

The Deep State wants to make us into North Mexico so the former USA can be subsumed to the UN.
Flooding the country with foreigners to steal our country was the only path to the New World Order.

It has been the largest most bipartisan project of the Federal government for the past 30 years.

BOTH parties.


10 posted on 11/27/2020 6:35:59 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The issue touched on in the article post 2, is how to identify them. I’d propose one way to identify illegals would be to compare rolls of those on state assistance (school, utilitysubsidies, foodbanks, other state welfare) versus federal welfare rolls for each state. In California, one could also look at those that have completed ‘Real ID’ (which requires proof of citizenship - and marital status for women) versus the general pop.


11 posted on 11/27/2020 6:38:17 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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D.C. Circuit Judge Gregory Katsas and U.S. District Judge Dabney Friedrich, both of whom were appointed by the 45th president, ruled against the good government group by finding their challenge was “not ripe for review” due to still-in-progress Census activities.


12 posted on 11/27/2020 7:51:14 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lasereye

The Constitution does not explicitly address this.


It doesn’t quite, but it is pretty solid on the implicit side.


13 posted on 11/27/2020 7:52:05 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Beagle8U
Do you think we should count everyone in Mexico? World travelers? Foreign students?

Of course I don't think we should count them. But what I think isn't what the courts base their decisions on.

14 posted on 11/27/2020 9:08:37 PM PST by lasereye
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To: datura
Only count CITIZENS

That is an important issue to be decided, only citizens or all legal residents. We may have to look at how they did it in 1800 and 1810 to understand what the founders meant. I would go with a census of only citizens, because the purpose of the census is to determine for voting purposes how many representatives every state gets. Illegal aliens and legal foreigners aren't necessary to that determination. We can count them for purposes of understanding how many there are, but not for apportioning representatives.

15 posted on 11/27/2020 11:13:19 PM PST by Defiant (If the Media and Social Media are going to run things, when do we get to vote for them?)
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Half the country was made up of non-citizens in the early days of our country. Both my grandmothers never became citizens. They came here about 1910.


16 posted on 11/28/2020 4:39:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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They shouldn’t be counted. They are uninvited guests...aka...illegals.


17 posted on 11/28/2020 4:48:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: lasereye

Shouldn’t be a problem to declare two buckets of numbers - actual citizens and “undocumented” (illegal) invaders - and maybe a 3rd bucket for valid visitors.


18 posted on 11/28/2020 6:00:30 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: lasereye

“The Constitution does not explicitly address this.”

How liberals think:

When the Founders signed the Constitution, they all agreed that we should count three-quarters of the world in the US census. The Constitution may not say that, but the Founders would think that if they were alive today.


19 posted on 11/28/2020 8:51:00 AM PST by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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