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Why Trump's Attempts to Overturn 2020 Election Are Unparalleled in US History
NYT ^ | Nov 19, 2020 | David E. Sanger

Posted on 11/20/2020 3:55:46 AM PST by where's_the_Outrage?

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election are unprecedented in American history and an even more audacious use of brute political force to gain the White House than when Congress gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency during Reconstruction....

Those theories figured in a rambling news conference that Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, held with other members of his legal team on Thursday. The group threw out a series of disconnected arguments to try to make the case that Mr. Trump really won. The arguments included blaming mail-in ballots that they said were prone to fraud as well as Dominion, which they suggested was tied to former President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela (who died seven years ago), and had vague connections to the Clinton Foundation and George Soros, the philanthropist and billionaire Democratic fund-raiser.

“That press conference was the most dangerous 1hr 45 minutes of television in American history,” Christopher Krebs, who was fired Tuesday night by Mr. Trump as the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency of the Department of Homeland Security, tweeted Thursday afternoon.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia; US: Michigan; US: Pennsylvania; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: dominion; election; fraud
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To: ZULU

I think it is because you are supposed to know your enemy.


21 posted on 11/20/2020 4:19:05 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election))
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
It Took 115 Days After 1876 Election to Decide President After Claims of Voter Fraud

https://www.newsweek.com/1876-election-115-days-decide-president-claims-voter-fraud-1545398

22 posted on 11/20/2020 4:21:13 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Lisbon1940

As much as I hate seeing the articles, I would not have known how communistic they have gotten without seeing them.

I agree


23 posted on 11/20/2020 4:24:02 AM PST by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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To: T Ruth

That last link falls a bit short in the description. The NYT is the enemy of all mankind, not just free speech.


24 posted on 11/20/2020 4:25:01 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the video")
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The meme out today is that Rudy was “rambling”.


25 posted on 11/20/2020 4:25:48 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Potemkin Joe - Everything about him is fake)
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To: Cboldt

The word is not overturn, the left has already attempted that. We are validating the victory of the President and their attempt to steal it.


26 posted on 11/20/2020 4:26:32 AM PST by prov1813man (ist)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

DO NOT accept their language.

“overturn” implies the election has been settled. They refuse to acknowledge the Constitutional parameters—it isn’t “settled” until Congress certifies it in Decemebr


27 posted on 11/20/2020 4:30:31 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Here we go again...

NYT = “worst projection actors” in world history!


28 posted on 11/20/2020 4:30:57 AM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: prov1813man

so writes one NYT “veteran” hack, Sanger.
but so writes another NYT “veteran” hack, Liptak.
(guess things change at NYT when Donald Trump is President):

***if only such scrutiny was being applied this election:

6 Oct 2012: NYT: Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises
By Adam Liptak
***“This ‘r’ is not like that ‘r,’ ” Judge Augustus D. Aikens Jr. said, suggesting that a ballot should be rejected.
Ion Sancho, the elections supervisor here, disagreed. “This ‘k’ is like that ‘k,’ ” he replied, and he persuaded his colleagues to count the vote.

Scenes like this will play out in many elections next month, because Florida and other states are swiftly moving from voting at a polling place toward voting by mail. In the last general election in Florida, in 2010, 23 percent of voters cast absentee ballots, up from 15 percent in the midterm election four years before. Nationwide, the use of absentee ballots and other forms of voting by mail has more than tripled since 1980 and now accounts for almost 20 percent of all votes...

Yet votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised and more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show. Election officials reject almost 2 percent of ballots cast by mail, double the rate for in-person voting.
“The more people you force to vote by mail,” Mr. Sancho said, “the more invalid ballots you will generate.”

Election experts say the challenges created by mailed ballots could well affect outcomes this fall and beyond. If the contests next month are close enough to be within what election lawyers call the margin of litigation, the grounds on which they will be fought will not be hanging chads but ballots cast away from the voting booth...

In four Western states, voting by mail is the exclusive or dominant way to cast a ballot.
The trend will probably result in more uncounted votes, and it increases the potential for fraud. While fraud in voting by mail is far less common than innocent errors, it is vastly more prevalent than the in-person voting fraud that has attracted far more attention, election administrators say...

Voting by mail is now common enough and problematic enough that election experts say there have been multiple elections in which no one can say with confidence which candidate was the deserved winner...

There is a bipartisan consensus that voting by mail, whatever its impact, is more easily abused than other forms. In a 2005 report signed by President Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III, who served as secretary of state under the first President George Bush, the Commission on Federal Election Reform concluded, “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”...

Election administrators have a shorthand name for a central weakness of voting by mail. They call it granny farming.
“The problem,” said Murray A. Greenberg, a former county attorney in Miami, “is really with the collection of absentee ballots at the senior citizen centers.” In Florida, people affiliated with political campaigns “help people vote absentee,” he said. “And help is in quotation marks.”

Voters in nursing homes can be subjected to subtle pressure, outright intimidation or fraud. The secrecy of their voting is easily compromised. And their ballots can be intercepted both coming and going...

Absentee ballots also make it much easier to buy and sell votes. In recent years, courts have invalidated mayoral elections in Illinois and Indiana because of fraudulent absentee ballots...

There are much simpler and more effective alternatives to commit fraud on such a scale, said Heather Gerken, a law professor at Yale.
“You could steal some absentee ballots or stuff a ballot box or bribe an election administrator or fiddle with an electronic voting machine,” she said. That explains, she said, “why all the evidence of stolen elections involves absentee ballots and the like.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html


29 posted on 11/20/2020 4:31:38 AM PST by MAGAthon
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“The meme out today is that Rudy was “rambling”.

Rudy did a great job.

They just don’t seem to want to talk much about what Sidney Powell had to say do they?


30 posted on 11/20/2020 4:38:49 AM PST by Captain7seas (UN EXIT!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
The left is fighting back against their own exposure!

As Senator Ted Cruz once said..."The Main Stream Media is nothing but a political action committee for the DNC."

31 posted on 11/20/2020 4:41:33 AM PST by high info voter
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To: nonsporting
A dirty civil war is coming.

It's not a civil war. It's a revolution.

32 posted on 11/20/2020 4:43:14 AM PST by SanchoP ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." )
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To: Kozak
Correction: The theft attempted was unprecedented in US history also.
33 posted on 11/20/2020 4:46:24 AM PST by Michael.SF.
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To: Jewbacca

X 100


34 posted on 11/20/2020 4:46:27 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Trump is not attempting to overturn the 2020 election. He is trying to preserve the 2020 election.


35 posted on 11/20/2020 4:48:05 AM PST by odawg
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
The MSM with its continuing reference to "Trump overturning" the election is pathetic.

Trump, on the nation's behalf, is attempting to "correct" the election results.

36 posted on 11/20/2020 4:52:11 AM PST by frog in a pot (The American voter should realize there is nothing democratic about the current Democrat Party.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Fake news. He is not overturning it. It hasn’t been decided yet, but it will be....poor NYT.


37 posted on 11/20/2020 4:52:44 AM PST by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Joe Biden even failed at stealing an election.


38 posted on 11/20/2020 4:54:45 AM PST by McGruff (We shall not go quietly into the night. We will not surrender without a fight.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“The meme out today is that Rudy was “rambling”.”

Biden would have stroked out. And they think he’s President.

(BTW Team Trump - Control your own lighting, sound, etc. If they don’t like it, just invite OANN and RSBN and Newsmax)


39 posted on 11/20/2020 4:56:59 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Captain7seas

Apparently not. :)


40 posted on 11/20/2020 4:59:32 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Potemkin Joe - Everything about him is fake)
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