Joe Biden’s Non-Mandate: He may win the White House, but his party and progressive ideas lost.

Wall Street Journal ^ | November 5, 2020 | WSJ Editorial Board

[karpov]

As the votes continue to be counted in swing states, Joe Biden has the best chance to become the next President. But the closer we inspect the nationwide election returns, the more the result looks like a defeat for the rest of his Democratic Party and especially for the progressive agenda. Mr. Biden would take office without a mandate beyond addressing Covid-19 and not being Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Biden will win the popular vote, and he may eke out a narrow win in the Electoral College. In essence he’ll have reversed Mr. Trump’s victory in 2016 with hair’s-breath advantages in Wisconsin and Michigan, and perhaps Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona. None of them will be by large margins. He will have vanquished an incumbent President, which is no easy task.

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But look down the ballot, or across the country, and Mr. Biden’s potential victory looks remarkably limited and personal. Most new Presidents enter office having swept allies into Congress and statehouses as the public embraces his agenda and vision for America. Certainly this was true of Barack Obama in 2008 and to a lesser extent Mr. Trump in 2016. Mr. Biden had no such coattails.

Democrats lost seats in the House, giving up some of the suburban gains they made in 2018 while continuing to struggle in rural areas. The full results won’t be in for weeks, but Speaker Nancy Pelosi may find her majority cut in half or more to the smallest in 20 years.

Senate control may be determined by a Jan. 5 runoff for two seats in Georgia. But the GOP already looks to have won 50 seats to 48 for Democrats, who had expected to ride public dislike for Mr. Trump into the majority.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

I do want to apologize to both of you. Both of you are people I have tremendous respect for. You have both taught me an incredible amount over all these years at FR. I know I don’t talk with you much Impy, but truly, you are someone I look up to very much and I have a search for your posts bookmarked. I visit it very often to read your thoughts on things.

This is a day with a lot of emotions and I feel like I’m stuck with a choice between encouraging everyone to fight this fraud or giving up entirely, shutting down, and not engaging in politics or even bothering to vote ever again.

If we don’t force our side to stand up, we will lose everything for good. Vote by mail will not go away. The fraud will never stop. There will be no point in even participating in the system. Our way of life for our children and grandchildren is literally gone forever.

In order to make sure that doesn’t happen, I feel that we need to make sure we are steadfast.

This isn’t about Donald Trump. This is about everything we hold dear. Everything is on the line here and that isn’t hyperbole.

[boxlunch]

If they succeed in stealing the White House, you don’t think they could steal a couple of piddly Senate seats? That’s delusional. They will keep going because they can, if we don’t fight them with everything we have.

[LS]

I wasn’t offended. I get it.

There’s a lot of talk here and Twit about “that’s it. Locked and loaded. Revolution.” blah blah.

How, exactly, does this take place? Whom does one shoot? Your neighbor who has his Biteme flag out? Some random person on a street?

I do not support what the Confederacy did, but they had a plan and much different (losing) circumstances for resistance. They had a geographic area and were mostly NOT mixed in with anti-slave people; they had a clear plan of secession under the wrong circumstances (i.e., Lincoln won); they at first did not plan to initiate hostilities (but did). But at least it was corporate, organized, massive and took four bloody years to put down.

What exactly are “our” people gonna do? Run to the government buildings in downtown PHX with a gun? And do what? Or rose yet, downtown Philly?

I”m not in any way knocking intentions or the rightness of the cause. I’m asking a simple question, how does the rhetoric translate into active resistance that actually achieves a goal?

[Political Junkie Too]

I heard the dejection in David Webb's voice this morning on Sirius XM.

The issue is apparently that even if there is evidence of massive vote fraud, there is no remedy. The courts cannot take back votes in a system of secret voting.

The prevailing sentiment seems to be that the only thing that can be done is to try the enablers of the crime, while the organizations that committed the crime still get to reap the benefits of that crime. To that extent, a recanvas (not just a recount, as talk radio is calling it) would be like discovery; it would force the states to open the books, match the counts to names and signatures in the logs, and could provide enough evidence of tampering to try officials themselves.

Personally, I think there is more that can be done here. I do believe there is a remedy. That remedy is to get the Supreme Court to invalidate the certifications of the contested state elections as a whole, not a onesy-twosy of a vote here or there.

The way to do it is this:

1. Hold the recanvas and document the inconsistencies in the books.
2. Prove that it is systemic and not just a statistical anomaly. Name names of perpetrators and provide whistleblower testimony, if possible.
3. Argue in front of the Supreme Court that the Constitution provides for the remedy of the state legislature, acting as the representative of the people in a republic, to select the Electors in a failsafe situation, as long as the Court finds the management of the election to be so fraudulent and untrustworthy as to vote to decertify it.
4. Then have the GOP state legislatures meet to vote on the slate of Electors to send to the Electoral College, backed up by a Supreme Court ruling that the certification was based on false premises.

Would they do it? Probably not.

President Trump would take it as far as he can to expose the plot for the American people to see. Hopefully, this will be remembered the next time the people turn out to vote. Also hopefully, people will realize that these election officials are their neighbors who shop at the same grocery stores, whose children go to the same schools, and will be shunned from polite society until they repent for their crimes.

But once the crimes are exposed, will SCOTUS have the nerve to overturn the state courts who are in on the coup? Will the state GOP have the nerve to step up and advocate for it, or will they revert back to their true nature of cowering from power and giving in to Democrat bully tactics?

I think we all know the answers to these questions, but the path forward is clear.

Seek to have the certifications of these elections overturned as hopelessly tainted and untrustworthy, and use the power of the Constitution to save the Constitution.

-PJ

[perfect_rovian_storm]

I’m not talking about revolution. I’m talking about channeling your inner Zen Master and at least saying that this isn’t over.

Does it suck that they managed to grab GA? Yes. But did they REALLY do that? It’s perceived that way and yes, to a degree perception is reality. Same with MI, WI, PA.

However, these states need to be recounted, canvassed, audited, etc.

IF we sound defeated this early, how will our legislatures EVER have the backbone to stand up to what happened here?

Do you think we’re NOT going to have a ton of evidence?

One thing we always have going for us is that these people are ALWAYS both arrogant AND incompetent. That means, finding evidence will not be all that difficult.

But if we just give up and say it’s over...well, we might as well just go along with what the MSM wants and give it all up forever.

Zen Master didn’t say that this morning and neither should we.

[GOPJ]

Just like looting, arson and mayhem happened in democrat run cities it's easier for voter fraud too.

If we don't put safeguards in place NOW democrats will win EVERY race (up and down the ballot) that's "too close to call" (voter fraud is only done in swing areas too close to call or it's too obvious)...

With the power of incumbency (most DC institutions have written laws to give advantage to themselves) in a few years Democrats will control everything.

Do the math... Two years ago Democrats took EVERY race that was considered 'too close to call' ...What are the odds of one party taking EVERY race 'too close to call'?

IF EVEN ONE DEAD PERSON "VOTED" IT'S PROOF POSITIVE VOTER FRAUD TOOK PLACE. The dead can't fill in a bubble, pull a lever, or knock out a chad...

MR. BIDEN: DO YOU DISAVOW VOTER FRAUD?

[GOPsterinMA]

This country is the Titanic. I’m not happy to say it. It sickens me. However, having a backup plan really is needed at this point.

I am convinced that the POTUS will eeeeeek this out. 2024? Full bore Communism, unless REAL measures are taken.

And you know what I mean...

[Agamemnon]

By now ALL the GOP state legislatures should have issued formal statements saying they will not accept the results of any election where fraud was present to the degree it made a difference.

Trump has always said that the challenge to the election passes through the USSC. He has made no mention of what powers the State legislatures have.

Trust him. He's got this. Read DJT's tweets as posted to The_Donald.win

This is How We Will Win

FReegards!

[Major Matt Mason]

Come on, if the Democrats win by one vote, they consider it a mandate. They are going to try to ram through as much as they can, while they can. If the GOP can take back the House and hold the Senate, then that SHOULD put the brakes on a bit. But the GOP are a bunch of loser cucks as we saw during the Obama years, so we are in uncharted waters at this point.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

In the immortal words of Catturd:

As long as Trump is fighting, I fight.

This is all I’m saying.

My mind keeps thinking about what the supremes are going to do. There should be a decision coming maybe today, right? About PA?

My thinking would be that they would want to do as much as possible to remain neutral, while still addressing these obvious systemic problems. I wonder what such a solution might look like if it’s not just throwing out this entire election top to bottom and calling for a redo.

[SkyPilot]

Well it doesn’t matter anymore Larry. We lost.

[LS]

Once again let me go over this:

the PA case only affects PA. It does NOT apply beyond PA because the case is built on a PA law that said all absentees must be postmarked by Nov. 3. Supposedly, these ballots were “sequestered,” but no one knows if the sequestered ballots were being COUNTED in the overall count so far. If not, it is irrelevant and the court would not hear the case. I.e., if Biteme has “won” by 200,000 and there are only 100,000 sequestered votes, it would be a waste of time.

This has no impact at all on GA, MI, NC, or WI.

The problem there is fraud. But no amount of exposing fraud AFTER an election can cause a revote. All that can happen is that the state legislators, in accordance with the US constitution, can disregard the “winner” of the election and submit a slate of their own choosing.

Now, imagine the media firestorm when that happens. Antifa types on the state reps’ doorsteps. Their kids threatened. Don’t see it happening.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

I wasn’t aware that we had previously discussed this and I also wasn’t aware that I had said anything about it going outside of PA, but OK. I did mention systemic problems, but I meant problems inside each state’s system.

Who says they couldn’t throw the whole thing out? The supreme court, is after all ‘supreme’, is it not? Frankly, Zen Master’s reasoning behind the downballot races being the cause really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. The court can just toss those out too, since they’re part of the whole mess and make the whole state revote all races.

I can see why the R party wouldn’t want that and wouldn’t ask for it like Zen Master said, but I have to contend that if the USSC wanted to do the least damage and provide the most relief to harmed parties, including the voters, a revote is the only answer that makes sense.

If I’m bothering you or if my thought process is too simplistic for this conversation, just ignore me. I know tempers are short today anyway. :-)

[Jeff Chandler]

They are ALL the result of state legislatures wanting to be “inclusive.”

Wrong.

They are all part of a deliberate plan to subvert our election systems. The "inclusion" and "racism" and "covid" outcries were merely fig leaves to cover their skullduggery; truncheons with which to pummel feckless Republicans into submission.

[Scott from the Left Coast]

Joe Biden and the Democrats don’t give a 💩about any “mandate”. Do the rulers of Communist China have a “mandate”? Do the communists in Venezuela have a “mandate”?

They want power. And they will have completely unencumbered total power to do whatever they want. And they will win every so-called “election” for as long as this rancid excuse for a nation exists.

Mandates = 🐃💩

Power is what they want. Power is what they have.

[djstex]

Thank you for the ping!!
AGREE With your post!
Thank You!
Well Said!

[Agamemnon]

By now ALL the GOP state legislatures should have issued formal statements saying they will not accept the results of any election where fraud was present to the degree it made a difference.

Michigan booting up. Michigan

Pennsylvania booting up. Pennsylvania

FReegards!

[Agamemnon]

Wisconsin boots up: Wisconsin

FReegards!

[SueRae]

No problem, LS. In contact with my closest R state rep. here in Pa. (though he lost on Tuesday as well) Urging him to get to Harrisburg on the voting cheats and the ignorance of the law re: counting late ballots. I may end up in Harrisburg to stand on the steps with Scott Pressler. I may be 65 but I’ve got fight left.

[Albion Wilde]

need state ping lists

See post 31:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3902404/posts?page=31#31