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HOW TO REVERSE THE FRAUD
Free Republic ^ | November 5, 2020 | Hostage

Posted on 11/05/2020 7:53:44 AM PST by Hostage

I want to recall an experience of the Governor's race in Washington State that took place in 2004. And from that experience we should draw lessons and then bring those lessons learned forward to today where we see the Democrat's Achilles Heel that the President has already taken action on. I explain below and I'll keep it short.

The 2004 gubernatorial race in Washington State pitted wildly popular Republican Dino Rossi against Democrat Christine Gregoire. Rossi's popularity was the only means to defeat the Democrat King County election fraud machine. Rossi won the first count and there were no more ballots to be counted. But there was a narrow margin which forced a second count, a machine recount and Rossi won that as well. The Democrats then maneuvered for a 3rd count, a hand recount and that's when bags of ballots were found in custodial closets and so forth and the refrain "Count Every Vote!" brought in those late ballots and they were counted.

I repeat THE FOUND BALLOTS WERE COUNTED LATE. Note in passing: there is a subtle difference between ballots found post-election day and ballots counted late.

This late ballot stuffing led to Gregoire winning the 3rd recount by a little more than a hundred votes.

The Rossi Campaign sued in court. In the January 2005 lawsuit, the Rossi Campaign convinced the court that well over 1600 voter registrations were fraudulent. This was not speculation, this was proven fraud. What follows from that is a LESSON.

The lesson was not that there were so many proven fraudulent votes, but how can they be reversed? In the Rossi-Gregoire race, there was no effort to reverse actual ballots because those bags of ballots 'found' were all marked received before or on the day of election.

The court denied the Rossi Campaign's attempt to force a new election, the judge was indeed a democrat hack, but he ruled that although fraud was involved in the 2004 Rossi-Gregoire election, it was impossible to know how the proven fraud influenced the outcome because ONCE COUNTED, THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW HOW FRAUDULENT VOTES WENT.

Once ballots are counted, it's a one-way process. The results can't be reversed because there is no way to know how 'irregular' votes went. This is why it's important to clean the voter rolls before election. To keep those voter rolls dirty and primed for fraud, the election office managers are selected from a progressive ideological pool and promoted. Moderates in the election office are passed over and patriots are driven out and blackballed. Progressives float to the top and call the shots. This can take more than a decade, progressives play the long game.

BUT THERE ARE CRITICAL DIFFERENCES IN THE TRUMP-BIDEN ELECTION.

That difference is found in the capability to REVERSE ***ALL*** BALLOTS RECEIVED AND TABULATED POST-ELECTION DAY, not just the Biden votes but Trump votes as well. And as we know, Trump held very large leads before all the phony Biden ballots arrived late to be counted late.

The lawsuits the Trump Campaign have filed aim to do precisely this, to not count any ballot that came in post-election day.

TO SUMMARIZE:



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; FReeper Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2020; chat; dinorossi; election; fraud; vanity
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To: Balding_Eagle

That WA governor’s race also featured homeless “voters” whose address was listed as the County Courthouse in Seattle.

Their “votes” were counted—hundreds of them.

Hint: They did not actually vote. :-)


21 posted on 11/05/2020 8:39:30 AM PST by cgbg (We shall fight on beaches, on grounds, the fields, the streets, the hills. Never surrender. WC)
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To: Cobra64

I wrote the above to inform people of how it’s been impossible to reverse vote fraud but in the TRUMP-BIDEN election case, it is possible because the pandemic was used to allow late ballots, ballots arriving after election day.

Indeed election security and ballot security features are critically needed but the process can be onerous but maybe not if a clever means of exploiting administrative law can open the door to get around state legislatures and their sovereignty over their elections.

But administrative fixes can be reversed in the years after, so it’s not a reliably enduring fix.

The best way forward is a constitutional amendment, hard to do but enduring and we need it. See #7 above for a sense of how it can be done without relying on Congress.


22 posted on 11/05/2020 8:40:00 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Red Badger

Make election fraud a capital offense, punishable by public hanging.

The only concern is whether convicted criminals from Demonicrat-controlled precincts will create a shortage of rope, since the carcasses of the convicts should be left to rot off the noose.


23 posted on 11/05/2020 8:41:41 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: cgbg; Balding_Eagle

Yes, the poor and downtrodden HOMELESS are used as a backdoor to vote fraud and no one will know if they ever existed for real.

Your mention of homeless fraud in the 2004 WA State governor’s race is well-described in the two 2004 Free Republic threads linked in #1 above.


24 posted on 11/05/2020 8:46:39 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: NicoDon
If the court would look at the chain of custody and say its invalid then the ballots are invalidated. Period.

I agree with everything else you posted but this provision is problematic.

Dems would simply and happily mess up the chain of custody of ballots in all red areas to get them invalidated. At their core they are cheaters and will look to exploit any loop hold they can find.

25 posted on 11/05/2020 8:46:50 AM PST by usurper ( version)
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To: tired&retired
Is there truth to the required watermarks on official ballots by Homeland Security?

I sure hope so.

26 posted on 11/05/2020 8:48:49 AM PST by usurper ( version)
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To: usurper; NicoDon; All

You two, and other Freepers as well, are thinking and making excellent points. Please continue as there are security solutions that need to be hashed out. I think this election is the watershed event that will bring reforms.


27 posted on 11/05/2020 8:50:39 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: sevinufnine

:(


28 posted on 11/05/2020 8:51:42 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: usurper

You are correct.

If the Democrats endorse a culture of cheating on a large scale (they do) it would take extraordinary measures to keep such cheating under any sort of control.

Democracy just can’t work in a culture of lying and cheating.

That is the issue in the third world, and why most of our efforts to help them get fair elections have been dismal failures.


29 posted on 11/05/2020 8:52:31 AM PST by cgbg (We shall fight on beaches, on grounds, the fields, the streets, the hills. Never surrender. WC)
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To: Red Badger

I think about 1/2 the states already have this same day registration garbage with several other states ready to come onboard. This will get much worse if we don’t stop it.


30 posted on 11/05/2020 8:56:05 AM PST by Mr Fuji
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To: Brian Griffin
Sequences of fraudulent ballots can be identified.

Yes! For example, here in New York State, every ballot is cardstock paper, and is imprinted with a unique serial number that appears on both the ballot and the stub from which it was torn. The stubs are all returned to each county Board of Elections at the end of the night. It's been recorded beforehand which ballots were sent to which districts within each polling place. And of course, the ballot-reading and tabulating machine has a clock. (Does it record when each individual ballot was fed to it? I believe so--it certainly should!)

The net is that dragging in bags of ballots from elsewhere to be tabulated late or in secret--whether they're stolen blanks or specially printed fakes--would be a non-starter in New York.

Our weakness is identifying who it is that has just walked in the door, asking to vote a given name that's legitimately on the rolls. In rural and suburban areas, that sign-in signature had better match. Your local district folks recognize you personally.

But in the Democratic cities (but I repeat myself), where there are virtually no genuine Republicans to question a 25-year-old imposter asking to vote as a 95-year-old nursing-home resident? Who the heck knows?

31 posted on 11/05/2020 8:56:26 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: sevinufnine

Then we don’t need you here. Surrender monkeys or the French are not needed here. Good-bye.


32 posted on 11/05/2020 9:03:05 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: usurper

Not just special water marks, they also have a chemical tracer on them.


33 posted on 11/05/2020 9:06:02 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: Hostage

This is standard operating procedure for King County WA. They delay their reporting until all other counties report, they see how many ballots the dems are down and “find” enough ballots to ensure their “victory”. Seen it more than once.


34 posted on 11/05/2020 9:06:35 AM PST by Zman (Liberals: denying reality since Day One.)
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To: Hostage

thanx for posting


35 posted on 11/05/2020 9:22:00 AM PST by thinden
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To: Hostage

Supreme Court must throw out ALL mail in ballots and only count in-person voting and verifiable absentee ballots.

Mail-in ballots are a violation of the constitution. Mail in ballots are equivalent to a “twitter survey”. A mail-in ballot is a ‘ballot’, not a ‘vote’.

Votes are in person verifiable ID and absentee verifiable request with ID – A constitutionally protected VOTE. Everything else is unprotected BS and SC must throw them out in EVERY state. Most expeditiously, in the swing states.


36 posted on 11/05/2020 9:23:37 AM PST by Lions Gate
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To: Hostage; Chode; All

IF the United States Constitution is opened up for Amendment then expect the demonratcommies to gut it of The Second Amendment and then there will be a real live CWII and it will make the first one look like a game of Go Fish between Kindergartners.


37 posted on 11/05/2020 9:30:30 AM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: Hostage

I remember that election well! After the Dems got away with that, I knew that they would expand on that and it would only be a matter of time until they would extrapolate that into National and presidential elections with the same results. And nobody would stop them. And, here we are. Sad ending to a great country.


38 posted on 11/05/2020 10:33:25 AM PST by Desparado
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To: mabarker1

What you’re referring to is a ‘Runaway-Convention’ and that’s not going to happen unless the Marxists control 38 state legislatures.

Plenty of trolls have tried over the years to stir up fear of a Runaway-Convention and they fail simple logic every time. They don’t control anywhere near 38 states but they are working towards it but it’s a long way off for them.

Marxists attacking the US via its election system and overthrowing a President in a coup d’etat is a watershed event in US history and demands the States respond with an amendment to remove vulnerabilities of national security.

Any federal act in law regarding election reform runs up against state sovereignty. There may be or maybe not there is some federal jurisdiction for national office holders but a constitutional amendment ratified by 3/4s of states is better.


39 posted on 11/05/2020 10:41:59 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Red Badger
Give the FBI a stack of late Biden ballots, which came in without any admixture of Trump ballots. Tell them that the deck has been seeded with ballots which have no unique fingerprints on them.

Then watch them like a hawk, and let them find out how many actual humans were involved in the production of the stack.


40 posted on 11/05/2020 10:56:36 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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