Here's a couple maps so people can actually understand what's happening. Note that this region (Nagorno-Karabakh) has been occupied and under Armenian control since 1994 I believe.
Posted on 10/09/2020 6:12:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin
Armenia and Azerbaijan have agreed a temporary ceasefire in the conflict in the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced the agreement just before 03:00 local time (01:00 BST), following 10 hours of talks in Moscow.
The two countries will now begin "substantive" talks, he said.
More than 300 people have died and thousands displaced since the latest violence in the long-running conflict broke out on 27 September.
The hostilities will be halted from midday (08:00 GMT) on Saturday, to allow an exchange of prisoners and the recovery of dead bodies.
Nagorno-Karabakh is run by ethnic Armenians although it is officially part of Azerbaijan.
The two former Soviet republics have blamed each other for the latest outbreak of violence - the worst in decades.
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Well, good for the people there. I wonder if the borders changed at all? Russia and Turkey giving a “ stand down “ order?
( I saw a documentary on the previous civil war from 1992(?). It was interesting as it had interviews from combatants at the time and from 10 years after it ended, including Mosin Nagants being used.)
Will Putin get a Nobel Prize nomination?
When the Soviets ruled both, the borders didn’t really matter.
But when the lines were drawn, war was ascertained. Just like the fall of the Ottoman’s and the lines in the middle east.
They’ll probably have to eventually relocate all the Armenians to Armenia. Or, have Azerbaijan cede the enclave to Armenia.
Neither of those seem likely, which means somebody will have to win a war.
Looks like it is still a stalemate. Both sides hold long term grudges. Armenians still hate turks.
I wonder if Egypt deploying their Naval Forces toward Turkey in recent days, was part of calculus that led to this cease fire?
An Armenian friend told me that the Turks are sending jihadis there who are blowing up women and children. And that beautiful church. Turkey and Iran itching to get involved/ or perhaps are already. Russia is supporting Armenia.
I think I read somewhere the ceasefire discussion proceeded the show of force by Egypt.
But President Sisi is one of the more respected and credible leaders in the Middle East. Most countries like and respect him, he is consistent and all the Islamist Terrorists (Including Erdoo) hate him. Those are all good signs.
I am told that where he lived is near where Sadat lived. He acts similar.
He is wise enough to know what Putin represents. Erdoo hates President Sisi. (he makes Erdoo look stupid)
Thanks for input.
As was the case when Tito ran Yugoslavia.
Used to be a Soviet Airborne division there. Wonder if it’s still there?
Erdogan may be the loser in this.
He egged on Azerbaijan to renew the fighting, and promised to lend support if they did, and they - Azerbaijan did initiate the renewed fighting, and Erdogan did provide military support to them.
For Erdogan it is religious.
He has a caliphate complex, thinking of himself as some Islamist version of a combination of Kemal Ataturk and the last of the Ottoman’s true - operational - Sultan and Caliph, Abdul-Hamid II (1876-1909).
Thinking of himself that way, he panders to Islamist sentiments in Azerbaijan concerning a small part of Azerbaijan that became a breakaway separatist area run by its Armenian majority. Azerbaijan is 90+% Muslim and Armenia next door is 90+% Christian, as is the disputed area of Nagorno-Karabakh.
To Erdogan, a wannabe Caliph, and to Islamists in Azerbaijan, the Christian Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh have no right to reject rule by the 90+% Muslims of Azerbaijan. They have no right to take any land once ever held by Muslims. Muslims are required to never allow any land they ever rule to be put in non Muslim hands, ever.
Recently in a speech in Turkey, Erdogan referred to Jerusalem telling his fellow Turks that “it is ours”.
I wish Turkey was out of NATO and the rest of NATO had no obligation to ever again protect Turkey for any reason.
Longer. The Soviets set aside a political area called an “Oblast” for the Armenian population which had been there for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Artsakh
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