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On the Proposal Not to Vaccinate the Aged for COVID-19
American Council on Science and Health ^ | 09/21/20 | Dr. Barbara Pfeffer Billauer

Posted on 10/02/2020 9:29:18 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX

When we become evaluated by group/class, we lose our humanity

In making triage decisions involving allocation of scare resources, I suggest the approach needs to be holistic, encompassing ethical constructs legal principles, and public health practice. In more global terms, the question of who should be the first to receive the COVID-19 vaccine might be couched in terms of individual rights (including autonomy) versus a collaborative justice, doing “right” for society writ large. Bioethically speaking, I would prefer a more nuanced paradigm as articulated in the UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chinavirusvaccine; coronavirus; discrimination; elderly; vaccine
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For those who believe government health care is so grand, in parts of Italy people over age 65 were denied ventilators without any other consideration. In Sweden, old folks in nursing homes were denied hospital admission even when indicated.

This is how socialism works.

1 posted on 10/02/2020 9:29:18 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
HA!

The joke is on them!

I would refuse the vaccine if offered (or demanded).

2 posted on 10/02/2020 9:36:24 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Thaq is exactly backward. I would recommend that the elderly, front-line workers, and those with compromised immunity get the first opportunity to be vaccinated. They should choose, but those at highest risk should be first.


3 posted on 10/02/2020 9:39:45 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pining_4_TX

Good way to clean the deadwood out.
never let a crisis go to waste!

Do I really need an </s>


4 posted on 10/02/2020 9:42:31 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Ironically, how many lives were saved by denying ventilators, since we now know the incredible damage they cause?


5 posted on 10/02/2020 9:43:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Pining_4_TX
allocation of scare resources

Been a lot of that lately.

6 posted on 10/02/2020 9:43:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

This is how socialism works.

They are Parliamentary democracies with elements of socialism especially in healthcare - however, the US has more socialist elements than they do.

In “socialist” China people were herded from their apartments or chained in and taken away to places where there were no facilities, no medicines, no doctors, no nurses, no drugs, and beds were 3 feet or less apart, all doors locked and only one way (in), all widows sealed shut and covered.

This is how socialism works.


7 posted on 10/02/2020 9:45:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Speaking in general, any nation that doesn’t take steps to protect the elderly and children, born or in the womb doesn’t deserve to exist.


8 posted on 10/02/2020 9:45:58 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Socialism” doesn’t work, because it is a based upon false premises, a fundamental error in human nature.

It doesn’t matter whether talking about food, or “health care” or anything else. In the case of food, nobody put it better than Hayek or Friedmann or Sowell or whoever it was: “In socialism, people line up for bread. In a free market, the bread lines up for people.”

This is why in socialist societies, they put a price cap or “controls” on prices. It’s only “fair” for example, that bread doesn’t cost too much, after all, right? This sounds good, and strikes a chord with people, particularly young and idealistic types. Their heart might be in the right place, but it doesn’t work that way. So the shelves are bare.

“How much for a loaf of bread?” and the answer is “Same as always. 5c ... if we had any.”

Health care is no different. If it’s “free” there won’t be any, at least not for anyone who was suckered into voting for it. Same old same old. Worse, everything involved in a socialist society requires coercion and punishment and tyranny and eventually, piles of skulls to enforce a system that won’t function and can’t be made to function no matter how many “reactionaries” and kulaks are liquidated. Pretty damn sad, and in this country it is often the multimillionaires who insist that socialism is the way to go.


9 posted on 10/02/2020 9:48:20 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Pining_4_TX

The UK coined the term “bed blockers”.

And one bureaucrat over there suggested that the elderly have a duty to die.

Let’s hear it for the NHS.


10 posted on 10/02/2020 9:52:10 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Pollster1

I agree MOSTLY with you—and am totally against the clinitonite Ezekiel Emanuel and his “bioethicist” ilk!!!

But provided we have vaccines (hopefully not of the mRNA type) proven to be safe and effective in Phase 3 clinical trials, published in leading medical journals (accessible to the public), and approved by the FDA and European agencies, EVERYONE should be vaccinated!!!

We already have mandatory vaccination programs—for measles, mumps, etc.etc. The goal would be to END social distancing, masking, lockdowns, etc. ASAP and forever!!!!

Mandatory vaccination sounds fascist to some. But mandatory.long-term social distancing is REALLY fascist, and is deadly for public mental health, cancer, heart disease, etc. etc.


11 posted on 10/02/2020 9:53:09 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Pollster1

“They should choose, but those at highest risk should be first.”
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Though I could be wrong, I believe there is a drive to eliminate the elderly.

1. They’re costing more money in their aged years than they are providing to the government in taxes.

2. Many of them, despite news to the contrary, do have money that Nursing Homes will gain as well as property that is often signed over to the Nursing Homes prior to entry.

3. Those that have monies that make it to the younger generation will quickly go to the government during the spending spree of the younger generations. Even if the amounts are less than the Death Taxes amount, the younger generation will be paying taxes on purchased items/services/land.

So.... eliminating the older generation is actually quite a Win-Win for a lot of self-centered feces....


12 posted on 10/02/2020 9:53:52 AM PDT by Notthereyet (NotThereYet.)
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To: Freedom4US

>multimillionaires who insist that socialism is the way to go

They think they will be running it if they get in front of it.


13 posted on 10/02/2020 10:01:10 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: Pollster1

“I would recommend that the elderly, front-line workers, and those with compromised immunity get the first opportunity to be vaccinated. They should choose, but those at highest risk should be first.”

Yup.


14 posted on 10/02/2020 10:07:01 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: Pining_4_TX
This is how socialism works.

Socialism, right. But I am more concerned about some who call themselves conservatives who are more than willing to sacrifice the old people.

I believe you'll find some or many, lurking in the hallways of Free Republic.
15 posted on 10/02/2020 10:08:10 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The left wants the elderly dead. More money in the medical system to give free abortion, sex “change” operations, euthanasia and aids care.


16 posted on 10/02/2020 10:18:59 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Make Trump President Again!)
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To: LouieFisk
“I would recommend that the elderly, front-line workers, and those with compromised immunity get the first opportunity to be vaccinated. They should choose, but those at highest risk should be first.” — Yup.

Yup x 2.

The most vulnerable along with those most likely to be exposed and transmit it like front line health care workers should get it first. Young healthy people are at almost no risk from Covid, we might find that they don't even need it after the high risk groups are vaccinated.

17 posted on 10/02/2020 10:19:19 AM PDT by GaryCrow
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To: Pining_4_TX
For those who believe government health care is so grand, in parts of Italy people over age 65 were denied ventilators without any other consideration. In Sweden, old folks in nursing homes were denied hospital admission even when indicated.

This is how socialism works.

And in NY and PA, highly infectious patients were deliberately and maliciously forced onto nursing home.

This is how democrats work.

18 posted on 10/02/2020 10:23:22 AM PDT by null and void (Democrats donate to bail money. Republicans donate to scholarships. ~ throwthebumsout)
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To: GaryCrow

“we might find that they don’t even need it after the high risk groups are vaccinated.”

Could be. Also, to have some that can be infected but have little risk of anything serious might help bring herd immunity into the mix a bit more. Something I’d have to ask a epidemiologist about.


19 posted on 10/02/2020 10:25:39 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: Notthereyet

“I believe there is a drive to eliminate the elderly.”

That is a counter-argument to my internal debate that it might have been a developed bio-agent weapon.

When you design a weapon, you don’t develop one that will help an enemy and you’d target taking out the young & healthy (fighting age), not those who’re old or on their last legs.


20 posted on 10/02/2020 10:30:43 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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