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We Should Consider Starting Covid-19 Vaccinations Now (I agree, on strictly volunteer basis)
Forbes ^ | August 2, 2020 | Steven Salzberg

Posted on 08/03/2020 1:09:30 AM PDT by cba123

Development of new Covid-19 vaccines is proceeding at a furious pace, which is good news for the world. We already have two vaccines in phase 3 trials in the US and Europe; each of these trials which will vaccinate many thousands of people, and then wait to see how many get infected. If the vaccines work, then in a few months’ time we’ll be able to start large-scale production.

But we don’t have to wait. Both of these vaccines (from Moderna and Oxford University/Astra Zeneca) have already been shown, in phase 1 trials, to be safe and probably effective. That’s why the companies are moving ahead and giving each vaccine to 30,000 more people: they are fairly confident that the vaccines are safe. The NY Times reports that 3 other Covid-19 vaccines are also in phase 3 trials: one from BioNTech and Pfizer, and two from Chinese companies, Sinopharm and Sinova Biotech.

So why not start administering millions of doses right now? We should.

(I agree)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: covid19
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To: cba123

“...sign away any chance to collect if things go wrong.”


The vaccine makers have been shielded from ANY LIABILITY!

I will not take it UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!


61 posted on 08/03/2020 4:44:25 AM PDT by Captain7seas (UN EXIT!)
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To: who knows what evil?

Into Scientology?


62 posted on 08/03/2020 4:47:32 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Bulwyf

Not an expert...
But I believe they could have achieved their goal with adult stem cells.

So I don’t understand why they used aborted baby cells. Some Federal “rule” maybe?


63 posted on 08/03/2020 4:50:06 AM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: mrsmith

https://redstatenation.com/video-bill-gates-you-dont-have-a-choice-normalcy-only-returns-when-we-largely-vaccinate-the-entire-population/


64 posted on 08/03/2020 4:53:58 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Bulwyf
Trials are necessary? Even if aborted babies were used to develop it?

Yes.

65 posted on 08/03/2020 5:00:11 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: gas_dr

“Truth will eventually prevail over uneducated hog wash.”

Do you actually believe that?
Do you watch the news?


66 posted on 08/03/2020 5:01:02 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Old Yeller
Be sure and take the Gates vaccine that modifies your DNA.

I've seen this movie.


67 posted on 08/03/2020 5:05:18 AM PDT by Flick Lives (My work's illegal, but at least it's honest. - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds)
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To: cba123

My question is this:. If Covid-19 is in the same virus class as the Common Cold (Corona) and we’ve been working on a vaccine for the cold for the better part of a century now without success, what makes us think a vaccine against Covid will work?


68 posted on 08/03/2020 5:10:22 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Sorry, your race card has been declined. Can you present any other form of argument?")
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To: cba123

My answer is No Sale. I will NOT take the vaccine.

Not sure this is totally correct, but this it a disturbing video.

Another Doctor speaking out about Covid19 vaccine (nono particles, AI interphase, DNA modification)

https://youtu.be/PbJq2KfgOEs


69 posted on 08/03/2020 5:19:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Vaccines generally work only when the disease is ease to detect, and is not extremely infectious. Small pox was very easy to detect. And it was deadly. So it could be eradicated with use of the vaccine and water treatment as well. This took half a century and a world wide effort. That same effort has not yet wiped out Polio, although that one is close. The other diseases you mention show up in the US every year. We have cases of measles every year in the US. In 2019 we had over a thousand cases reported.

In other countries like China, there are huge groups of children who become very ill and even die after taking vaccines. The US drug makers test vaccines over a very long period before they are allowed to widely distribute the vaccine. And even when a vaccine is approved it is often associated with adverse reactions. HPV has caused more cases of ASIA as it supposedly reduced cases of cervical cancer. With 13 thousand cases of cervical cancer per year, we are causing 5000 cases of ASIA while reducing cervical cancer by 1000 cases. Not worth it.

Outside of a very few success stories, vaccines never equal eradication. They simply reduce a disease. In some cases they work for a year or two. In other cases they can provide immunity for decades. But with a virus like covid, vaccines can never hope to eradicate the virus from the world or even the USA. It will be here for a century at least.


70 posted on 08/03/2020 5:25:31 AM PDT by poinq
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To: cba123

Give me OTC access to Trump pills.


71 posted on 08/03/2020 5:27:24 AM PDT by Kudsman (Baby Lives Matter)
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To: backwoods-engineer

The same thing we always do when people refuse life-saving medicines out of sheer ignorance: shake our heads, roll our eyes, and sigh heavily.

You’re free to make whatever poor decisions you like. We live in America. Nobody is forcing you to make wise decisions.


72 posted on 08/03/2020 5:30:35 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: DoodleDawg

Have fun having that conversion with God.

I will not comply ever.


73 posted on 08/03/2020 5:31:55 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: mrsmith

It’s just pure evil, but yet lots of people line up anyways. It’s sad that many don’t just turn to their creator.


74 posted on 08/03/2020 5:33:14 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

My Creator doesn’t require ignorance.
As far as I can tell he requires my best efforts.
Not to demean your putative Creator...


75 posted on 08/03/2020 5:43:28 AM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: pepsionice

‘and then you have to repeat (over and over), with the vaccine being ineffective within five years.’

considering the age of most of the so called covid fatalities, five years would be just fine...


76 posted on 08/03/2020 5:51:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Bulwyf
"You just spread a lot of falsehoods."

No, I correct them.

"The smallpox vaccine for example killed more kids than the disease did."

Smallpox killed 500 million people in the 100 years prior to it being eradicated by a mass vaccination program. The vaccine did not kill millions of anyone, let alone children.

"nothing good comes from using aborted babies in the development of these vaccines."

Agreed. Thankfully, every vaccine except Hepatitis A and Rubella have ethically sourced alternatives. For SARS-CoV-2, many vaccine candidates have zero development using fetal stem cells, including two (GSK's candidate and Novavax's candidate) backed by the Trump administration with billions of Federal tax dollars invested.

77 posted on 08/03/2020 5:52:14 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: cba123

China, Russia, India and the UK. Lots, and lots of people, very soon. C’mon Trump.

I say its safe to delay another month, let these countries be our Phase III. Just have plenty of doses ready for those that want the vaccine when approved.


78 posted on 08/03/2020 5:52:44 AM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: poinq

right, phase 1 is the ‘it doesn’t kill you instantly’ trial. that is pretty much all it is for.

I would want several years follow-up safety data on any vaccine. Unfortunately, the way information is distorted and controlled on this topic, I suspect we most certainly are not going to be given this.


79 posted on 08/03/2020 5:53:05 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: cba123

Considering ...

OK, I’ll take it ... after I’ve been “clapped in irons”.


80 posted on 08/03/2020 5:55:32 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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