We Should Consider Starting Covid-19 Vaccinations Now (I agree, on strictly volunteer basis)

Forbes ^ | August 2, 2020 | Steven Salzberg

[cba123]

Development of new Covid-19 vaccines is proceeding at a furious pace, which is good news for the world. We already have two vaccines in phase 3 trials in the US and Europe; each of these trials which will vaccinate many thousands of people, and then wait to see how many get infected. If the vaccines work, then in a few months’ time we’ll be able to start large-scale production.

But we don’t have to wait. Both of these vaccines (from Moderna and Oxford University/Astra Zeneca) have already been shown, in phase 1 trials, to be safe and probably effective. That’s why the companies are moving ahead and giving each vaccine to 30,000 more people: they are fairly confident that the vaccines are safe. The NY Times reports that 3 other Covid-19 vaccines are also in phase 3 trials: one from BioNTech and Pfizer, and two from Chinese companies, Sinopharm and Sinova Biotech.

So why not start administering millions of doses right now? We should.

(I agree)

(Please see link for full article)

[cba123]

I think he has a good point.

Leave it to people to volunteer, with the full understanding they are taking an experimental drug, and sign away any chance to collect if things go wrong.

But let's go, Trump.

[cba123]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2020/08/02/start-vaccinating-now/amp

[pepsionice]

I’ll let the first 100-million go in front of me. My belief is that the vaccine will...at best...protect you for about five to six months, and then you have to repeat (over and over), with the vaccine being ineffective within five years.

[Crim]

Im not taking jack....period.

[who knows what evil?]

God is judging America...period. NO vaccine.

[who knows what evil?]

NO masks, either. People that DON'T wear masks are being demonized...to quote my pastor from yesterday's sermon (one of the BEST I have EVER heard): 'The idea that healthy people are a THREAT to other people's health is a lie from hell!'

I was so busy applauding during the sermon that I forgot to take notes. I will have to listen again.

[poinq]

This is stupid. Vaccines are extremely dangerous. You are telling your body to kill any cell with a DNA or RNA snip-it sequence. If that sequence snip-it is shared in any part by the DNA of your own cells, your body will start attacking those cells. You are basically hiring killers and giving them a description of the cells to kill. If innocent cells have the same description, they will be killed.

Our medical community does not like to remind people that vaccines kill and maim people all the time, today. Even current vaccines under wide use. Vaccines all have an “acceptable mortality rate”. The idea is that the vaccine saves more lives than it kills. New vaccines often kill more than they save at first. Think of auto-immune diseases. They are diseases where the bodies immune system is targeting a type of cell within your body. MS, Crohn’s, Lupus, etc. are all diseases where the antibodies attack the persons own cells. A bad vaccine can cause a similar reaction.

[9YearLurker]

Not shown to be either safe or effective!

[poinq]

Both of these vaccines (from Moderna and Oxford University/Astra Zeneca) have already been shown, in phase 1 trials, to be safe and probably effective.

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This is crap. They have not been shown to be safe at all. They don’t immediately kill the very small group of people who have tested them. Thats true. But many vaccines get from this point to the point of being very dangerous in larger groups. When your daughter gets terminally sick from one of these vaccines, as some daughters or sons will, remember that their pain and death saved a few old lives.

[mrsmith]

Yeah, let those who wish volounteer,

But “ have already been shown, in phase 1 trials, to be safe and probably effective. “
isn’t accurate.
They’ve shown to “probably be safe in the near term”.

Not good enough for me. Others in more desperate situations will decide differently.

[cba123]

Well it seems FR may not be a great source of voluntary subjects for this vaccination.

I will, though.

Let people volunteer to go first, Trump.

For real. I was also for your candidacy early (not the earliest, but pretty near)

Lets start this now.

[mrsmith]

Covid infectees are infectious to others before they have symptoms...

If you have a good Preacher overall you’re blessed. I don’t think he’s doing good for the flock here.
I have a great Preacher. Came to his calling late after much sinning.

[chopperk]

Make HCQ and Zinc Sulfate OTC drugs and pandemic over.....anyone with a cough and/or fever could take the meds immediately to be most effective.

[conservative98]

Great quote.

[SanchoP]

Covid infectees are infectious to others before they have symptoms... and we are responsible to society (the state) first. Right comrade?

[mrsmith]

“Comrade” is a popular term among you and your friends.
I’m not surprised in the least.

Here, on FR, however using it implies you are a fool. We have respect for people and common sense.

[Craftmore]

mask was voluntary before it became mandatory,,
vaccine will be voluntary before it becomes mandatory
then a mark proving you have vaccine will be voluntary before it becomes mandatory.
I dont wear the mask of the beast,wont take the vaccine or take the mark of the beast.

[mrsmith]

” FR may not be a great source of voluntary subjects for this vaccination. “

Yeah, but practically... we’re an older bunch here and not best suited for testing the vaccine, nor likely to benefit much considering the risk.
I doubt the ideological claims made are significant. Just clique-pleasing squawking.

[mrsmith]

We are a good demographic for testing treatments though.

[PrairieLady2]

I won’t do any medicine that has human fetal cells. I’d rather die.