Posted on 07/11/2020 9:33:31 AM PDT by plain talk
In the East Bay, in what's believed to be a first in the nation proposal, the City of Berkeley has proposed ending police traffic enforcement.
Next week, Berkeley's City Council will vote on a proposal to create a Department of Transportation and use employees in that department to make traffic stops instead of Berkeley Police officers.
"A minor traffic violation should not have resulted in the murder of a black or brown body, but at the same time we can also re-examine the nature of punitive law enforcement and broken windows policing that makes traffic enforcement so deadly to begin with."
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“Comply don’t Die.” Sorry, comply only applies to illegal orders by unelected officials ordering people to lose their jobs and hide in their homes forever.
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It would be funny only if these types weren’t going to be in cabinet level positions in a Dem US government under Pres. Hillary or Cuomo. God forbid.
Attorney General Maxine, Sec. of Commerce AOC, Sec. of State Sanders, Sec. of Defense Tlaib....can I wake up from the nightmare now?
I read a story recently about a 5am call to Berkeley PD about a BMW7 with tinted windows which had stopped in a major downtown intersection facing oncoming traffic.
Police approached the vehicle which was still running and tapped on the window, no response.
Police then tried the drivers side door which opened, revealing the driver passed out behind the wheel holding a 9mm pistol in his lap.
The driver was a convicted felon from Oakland, on parole for aggravated assault.
I don’t think Berkeley DOT is going to be able to handle stuff like that.
I think its also a CA law that shoplifting/theft of less than $900 is not a crime. I've seen videos of "shoppers" just loading up bags and walking out of the store ...
So, if i drive 60 mile an hour down town and hit someone ...do i have to stop?
If the people handing out traffic tickets are not police officers of some sort, then they won't have any legal right to conduct an arrest and detention. Or at a minimum they would be conducting a citizen's arrest. Few, and maybe no jurisdictions currently allow a citizen to detain another citizen forcefully over a traffic violation.
If Berkeley is just starting up another police force, whose sole job will be to make traffic stops, then that police force would of course be able to do what the current police do. And in effect they would have a version of CHP. Maybe they will call it BSP for the Berkeley Street Patrol.
Berkeley's plan seems half baked. That isn't surprising considering where it was hatched.
The virtue signaling thing right now with all this “woke Ness “”is epic
I say do what you want to do, Bizerkly. Just don’t come begging for help when the Mexican cartels come a callin’
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It is, but it’s also more. Cops know the “frequent law enforcement consumers” in their area, so if they see Mr. Just Out of Prison Felon with an expired tag, it gives them a reason to stop him and have a chat.
“Next step:
Insurance companies refuse to insure any vehicle in that county...”
That aspect is going to ripple through many areas of life in a life without cops. Property AND vehicles become uninsurable; your annual premium will be the full replacement cost...
Good luck with that.
Uh huh. Replaced by cameras and tickets by mail which only ‘privilege’ types will pay.
Have they solved the Murder of the 19 Year Old White Kid yet?
This means fewer police officers murdered.
“Wow, our revenues are way down this month”
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I got two traffic tickets in Berkeley for rolling through a stop sign on separate occasions. Just like parking tickets, Sacramento uses traffic tickets as a cash stream. Oh, and the drivers in Berkeley are not the best, since the drivers in Berkeley have theirs heads in the high IQ clouds. I have driven with professors around Berkeley and wow, that was dangerous. They were busy talking and not paying attention to traffic.
I guess you have never lived in a city that hands out parking tickets. Here is how it works. When the meter maid writes out the parking ticket they log the car's license plate number. And if you don't pay the ticket then you can't renew the registration on the car. So you pay the ticket.
And you may never have seen the ticket before, because some jerk took it off your car and put it on his to make the next meter maid think somebody else already ticketed that car.
Whether or not you were driving, or any other defense you might have doesn't matter. The violation is charged to the registered owner.
As I noted before, the scheme proposed in Berkeley sounds like a bad idea. But if they wanted to do such a thing they could just tie the violation to the vehicle. That's what happens when you get a ticket from a photo based enforcement system, and that's how tolls based on license plate images work.
If your car goes through the tolls in Massachusetts and you don't have an EZ-PASS the car owner gets the bill. It isn't a defense to say you weren't driving your car.
Most city governments would love to be able to collect revenue from moving violations without involving the police. That is a popular way to make money in other countries where speed on highways is checked electronically. If you speed you get an invoice in the mail. No fuss, no traffic stop, just money for the city.
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