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To: freeandfreezing
I am not suggesting that the idea is a good one. But if moving violations were treated like parking violations, which is apparently what they are proposing, then the violation would be charged to the owner, just like a parking ticket.

But how would that be enforced? I can take the ticket to court and just say I wasn't the one driving. They have no proof, they didn't get an ID or any kind of anything on who the actual violator was. And parking tickets are pretty dumb, I've been in downtown Dallas for work before and seen some random guy walk down a street, and just pull any parking tickets off of the cars he went by. So the owners/drivers now have no idea they supposedly got a ticket.
99 posted on 07/12/2020 8:17:40 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar
I can take the ticket to court and just say I wasn't the one driving.

I guess you have never lived in a city that hands out parking tickets. Here is how it works. When the meter maid writes out the parking ticket they log the car's license plate number. And if you don't pay the ticket then you can't renew the registration on the car. So you pay the ticket.

And you may never have seen the ticket before, because some jerk took it off your car and put it on his to make the next meter maid think somebody else already ticketed that car.

Whether or not you were driving, or any other defense you might have doesn't matter. The violation is charged to the registered owner.

As I noted before, the scheme proposed in Berkeley sounds like a bad idea. But if they wanted to do such a thing they could just tie the violation to the vehicle. That's what happens when you get a ticket from a photo based enforcement system, and that's how tolls based on license plate images work.

If your car goes through the tolls in Massachusetts and you don't have an EZ-PASS the car owner gets the bill. It isn't a defense to say you weren't driving your car.

Most city governments would love to be able to collect revenue from moving violations without involving the police. That is a popular way to make money in other countries where speed on highways is checked electronically. If you speed you get an invoice in the mail. No fuss, no traffic stop, just money for the city.

100 posted on 07/12/2020 8:49:57 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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