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CDC indicates COVID infection-fatality rate less than 1%
World Net Daily ^ | June 27, 2020 at 9:45am | WND Staff

Posted on 06/27/2020 10:10:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

That percentage, which is higher than other current estimates, nevertheless sharply contrasts with the alarming estimate of 3.4% announced March 3 by the director general of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesusin, which fueled the global lockdowns.

In fact, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top White House infectious disease expert, co-authored an article published March 26 in the New England Journal of Medicine predicting the case fatality rate for the coronavirus would turn out to be like that of a "severe seasonal influenza."

In an exceptionally bad flu season, the rate is about one-tenth of 1 percent, the authors wrote.

The rate may have turned out to be considerably lower among people under 70, according to a paper published this month by John Ioannidis, a professor of epidemiology and population health at Stanford University.

He found the infection fatality rates in that population ranged from zero to 0.23%, with a median of 0.04%.

His finding was based on a study of 23 "seroprevalence studies," which measure infection rates using the presence of antibodies in blood samples, Just the News reported.

The studies, Ioannidis wrote, "typically show a much lower fatality than initially speculated in the earlier days of the pandemic."

"It should be appreciated," he writes in the paper, "that [the fatality rate] is not a fixed physical constant and it can vary substantially across locations, depending on the population structure, the case-mix of infected and deceased individuals and other, local factors."

The implication for decision-makers, he said, is that they can tailor measures "to specific high-risk individuals and settings" rather than implement a "blind lockdown of the entire society."

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To: gas_dr

I refuse FearPorn on the left and utter stupidity on the right.

Not going to stop either. The facts are the facts. You don’t like the facts, too bad.


61 posted on 06/27/2020 3:48:59 PM PDT by romanesq (Flubro, from the people who brought you the stupidity of grifters & the letter Q)
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To: gas_dr

You’ve been an ignorant ass for a long while. Why change now?
If someone acts like a douche, I’ll help them to understand that.

Deal with it.


62 posted on 06/27/2020 3:49:53 PM PDT by romanesq (Flubro, from the people who brought you the stupidity of grifters & the letter Q)
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To: Secret Agent Man

People can protect themselves somewhat with the flu and those deaths alleged in the “tens of thousands” are actually nothing but estimates.


63 posted on 06/27/2020 3:50:40 PM PDT by romanesq (Flubro, from the people who brought you the stupidity of grifters & the letter Q)
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To: daniel1212

When did I ever post that?

What kind of drugs are you on?


64 posted on 06/27/2020 3:51:40 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Sirius Lee

“No, it was never the flu. Flubros are morons.
It was the flu. “

No, a coronavirus out of the ChiCom lab is not influenza, re: flu.

No matter how stupid the stupid insist, facts are facts. Assumptions beyond a basic fact is sadly the order of the day with some.

There’s no fixing this vapidity.


65 posted on 06/27/2020 3:52:15 PM PDT by romanesq (Flubro, from the people who brought you the stupidity of grifters & the letter Q)
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To: null and void

Well said. Good historical overview, too.

When your grandchildren or great grandchildren ask you what happened to America and why, you can tell them. :)

BTW, the curve was flattened months ago.


66 posted on 06/27/2020 3:52:50 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: romanesq

Hey at least my data is verifiable. You have nothing except conjecture and narcissism.


67 posted on 06/27/2020 4:00:10 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

I’ve tracked all the data inside the US since March and around the world earlier than that.

I have no interest in trying to explain common sense to any flubro moron.
So your personal attacks are nothing but your own reflection looking back at you.


68 posted on 06/27/2020 4:03:26 PM PDT by romanesq (Flubro, from the people who brought you the stupidity of grifters & the letter Q)
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To: romanesq

Even you beloved deep state knows that the death rate is not 3% and you say you don’t do spread fear porn. Stupidity is not having the intellect to examine the facts and arrive at the truth

You are the textbook definition of stupid and your elegant response of GFY seems to point at you being the ass.

He he knows not what he knows not is a fool and should be shunned
Go hang out with the other fools. Let the adults take care of the country. We will get you through it and you will be ok.


69 posted on 06/27/2020 4:04:42 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: romanesq

You wouldn’t know what to do with data if it bit you on the ass. Everyone knows thst by your ignorant posts. And instead of answering the data points presented you simply say you are too smart to answer.

I didn’t tolerate bullies when I was young and I tolerate them no more now that I am an expert in my field and the the middle of my career. You sre a hack. A bully behind a keyboard with a google connection

Go tell your echo chamber of Kozak, hockey stick McGee, DannyTN, ExdemMom and rummychick how brilliant you are. Maybe read some google articles so you can sound sophisticated. And proffer colloidal solver and idiotic theory.

Then go get your doctorate and masters degrees spend 6 years in residency and fellowship. Stand at beside of thousands of critically ill people and tell me then your opinion.

Help write a textbook in critical care and contribute to the real literature and then we will talk. I have done all those things so I merely try to educate this with an internet connection and you demonstrate yourself to be not only uneducable but am assh*le on top of it

That’s a bad way to go through life.


70 posted on 06/27/2020 4:14:21 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Lots of people had it and recovered and didn’t even know what they had.”

They’re going to also find out this virus was with us early last year and many people were exposed and infected without all the fuss.


71 posted on 06/27/2020 4:15:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: null and void

Well said. Good historical overview, too.

When your grandchildren or great grandchildren ask you what happened to America and why, you can tell them. :)

BTW, the curve was flattened months ago.


72 posted on 06/27/2020 4:16:57 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
The curve got "unflattened" starting about 3 weeks ago: CoronaCases https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
73 posted on 06/27/2020 4:37:37 PM PDT by Drago
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To: gas_dr
I respect your knowledge. Having treated many poor, suffering souls myself, I understand your intolerance. My father-in-law, surgeon and excellent diagnostician, warned against taking medical advice from the NY Times (he died in the 80’s).
74 posted on 06/27/2020 5:13:30 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine, education and forests!)
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To: The Westerner

You are a hero
We swore an oath to take care of all. Thank you for your kindness. And thank you for your care of those in need


75 posted on 06/27/2020 5:16:13 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: daniel1212; Vermont Lt

It’s a deliberate jab at a leftist excuse for any foul thing they want to cram down our throats.

I notice they haven’t been saying it quite so much since I started using it to advocate conservative ideals...


76 posted on 06/27/2020 5:41:39 PM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

“. Here are those guidelines so you can see for yourself: CDC Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to COVID-19”

Thanks. I didn’t go through it with a fine comb, but I did notice the emphasis on using one’s judgement combined with an analysis of the logical progression and interaction of diseases. Looks good.


77 posted on 06/27/2020 6:21:29 PM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: null and void; gas_dr
“Please note that for the very first time in all of recorded history the case fatality rate is calculated including people WHO WERE NEVER SICK in the denominator.”

That stumped me. Take chicken pox pre-vaccine. Pediatricians counted the number of blisters to estimate whether the child would develop immunity to it (12 min). Symptoms were required otherwise there was no “case”. Antibodies developed only when the case was full blown. Either way, both were included in case counts.

What is different about the novel coronavirus? Why are asymptomatic carriers defined as having the flu or “a case”? Do they develop immunity via antibodies if they've been infected without getting symptoms?

Are assymptomatic carriers considered a “case”? Is that true during flu season when most of us are exposed to flu but don't get sick? In fact, do people get tested for the flu when asymptomatic?

I've always heard that once you get a virus and symptoms develop, you can't get that virus again. But I've heard today that scientists do not know if Wuhan virus can reoccur if one has antibodies to it?

Thanks N and V for this thoughtful post!

78 posted on 06/27/2020 10:49:28 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine, education and forests!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why weren’t we mandated to wear masks every flu season?


79 posted on 06/27/2020 10:52:41 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: The Westerner

Yes asymptomatic positive tests are a case. As for immunity once you have a virus you mount an immune response that synthesizes antibodies. It would defy literally everything we know about the immune system were this untrue. The theories about no immunity are I think some scientists trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame by seeming smart

Consider this...if no immunity than convalescent plasma would not be a thing and the synthesis of monoclonal antibodies for treatment which was an article yesterday talking about a bridge to vaccine would not be a thing

People have to twist logic into a pretzel to say on one hand we have a treatment with convalescent plasma while simultaneously arguing there is not an immune protection.


80 posted on 06/28/2020 3:36:33 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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