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1 posted on 04/28/2020 5:59:58 AM PDT by grundle
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Yes, but the death certificate will list coronavirus as the cause.


2 posted on 04/28/2020 6:03:25 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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Coronavirus death rates are suspect. MD’s are encouraged to put the virus as the cause of death in cases of heart attack, cancer, etc. as there’s apparently more money handed out with an increase in CV deaths.


3 posted on 04/28/2020 6:04:56 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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Yes, and hospital staff is being fired because there is no work.

Hospitals were ordered to treat ONLY corona cases and to refuse treatment to all others. So people with conditions refused to go to the hospital because they knew they would be left to die so that they could be listed as another covid case to get the numbers up.

Paranoia? I doubt it.


4 posted on 04/28/2020 6:05:21 AM PDT by I want the USA back (I fear my government more than the bug. I hate that which makes me afraid. And the media.)
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and I bet all deaths in many larger cities are counted as covid 19 deaths. Cuomo, more number of deaths more free stuff for me and NY


6 posted on 04/28/2020 6:05:39 AM PDT by DOC44
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For me, the takeaway from this article is that it is the NYT and not GP.

The whole, “there is something fishy going on here” meme has broken through to the MSM.


7 posted on 04/28/2020 6:06:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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And why is there unfounded fear over the coronavirus?

Maybe because the NY Slimes and their other Big Media pals have been hyping the hysteria non-stop for the last 2 months? Scaring the crap out of everyone, deliberately?

Could that have something to do with it?


8 posted on 04/28/2020 6:06:35 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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We are so screwed up at this point it’s almost unimaginable. We have created such hysteria around COVID that everything seems not to matter. Not the economy. Not anybody’s life. No other health matter. It’s just CIVID-19 hysteria 24/7.

Yesterday a large regional medical company announced they are laying off 3,000 people. NOw, why in the world would a large medical company be laying off front line health care workers?

Why? Because nothing else is being done except COVID and there isn’t enough COVID stuff to keep people engaged. And yet, the hysteria continues.

People dying of strokes and heart attacks and cancer? Tough! We don’t want to hear, see, or DO anything that does not contribute to the COVID hysteria! How can the masses be cowed and inder house arrest without the hysteria? How can we beat Orange man unless we totally demolish the country and throw everything into utter chaos?


9 posted on 04/28/2020 6:09:54 AM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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Another story to toss on the “Gee, so Anthony Fauci really ISN”T the smartest man on earth” pile.


10 posted on 04/28/2020 6:12:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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Don't know why this is happening, but it is true. It's not that people are being misdiagnosed, or turned away when they do show up at the ED. They're just not showing up at Eds in the same numbers.

Clearly, some of this is from people avoiding going to an ED - for fear of Covid, but there are likely other factors as well. Elective cardiovascular procedures have been scaled back dramatically, in an effort to keep people out of the hospital (they are being medically managed as outpatients) - and this contributes somewhat. This doesn't explain, however, why people aren't presenting with acute syndromes (i.e. myocardial infarction and stroke).

13 posted on 04/28/2020 6:17:07 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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in NY, the Cuomo crime family gets a bounty
of $18,000 per person forced into ventilators,
vs. NOTHING for normal patient care.

Hence, the need for millions of unused ventilators,
and the assignment of EVERYONE to “coronavirus infxn”
even if untested.


16 posted on 04/28/2020 6:39:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( WWG1WGA)
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The hysteria fostered by politicians and media over this virus - death rate similar to the flu - is not only destroying our economy, it’s taking lives. People are terrified of normal interactions with others, and those dying of stroke and heart attack avoid seeking care because they’re frightened by a virus about as harmful as the flu, not to mention the pathetic shaming done by the mindless nannies among us who live to scold others.


19 posted on 04/28/2020 6:45:22 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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No kidding. I’ve had to reschedule my MRI for my liver cancer. But I don’t give a chit. I want my country back. This farce has to end. Now! We’ve been playgued.


23 posted on 04/28/2020 6:53:57 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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This is a bit of a gray area, IMO. If you had a heart condition and would have lived another another ten years without the CV infection, it is fair to say that the CV was responsible for your death.

That said a quick search on H1N1 and heart or influenza and heart will show you this is pretty common.

30 posted on 04/28/2020 7:23:56 AM PDT by riri (If people still dropping, most aint shopping.)
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To: grundle

Most of them are not missing, they are on telemedicine.


31 posted on 04/28/2020 7:35:40 AM PDT by Cold Heart (.)
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To: grundle

Have we started to track the number of deaths due to the shutdown?


32 posted on 04/28/2020 8:09:47 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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Have we started to track the number of deaths due to the shutdown?


33 posted on 04/28/2020 8:09:50 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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Agreed - people are afraid of hospital and doctor’s waiting rooms with others there with sniffling noses and coughs. Waiting rooms are staging areas to catch a disease.


34 posted on 04/28/2020 8:16:54 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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The last place I want to be right now is a hospital. I don’t understand the mystery here.


35 posted on 04/28/2020 8:26:35 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (The Democrats - Unafraid to burn in Hell.)
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I just want to see my Dentist before I am Flat Broke

Also I have to go back to work ... yesterday


39 posted on 04/28/2020 7:31:56 PM PDT by TexasTransplant ( I am going back to work... permission or not)
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